Homework Problem regarding speed of hydrogen molecule

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the typical speed of a hydrogen molecule given a specific amount of hydrogen gas, its volume, and pressure. The subject area pertains to thermodynamics and kinetic theory of gases.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the ideal gas law to find temperature and how it relates to the typical speed of gas molecules. Some question the inclusion of certain values in the calculations, particularly the volume.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the correct application of formulas and values. Some participants have provided guidance on the relationship between temperature and molecular speed, while others have pointed out potential errors in the original poster's calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants are addressing the confusion surrounding the mass of a hydrogen molecule and the proper use of the ideal gas law in this context. There is a noted discrepancy regarding the interpretation of the values used in the calculations.

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Homework Statement


You place 83 moles of hydrogen gas in a balloon of volume 2.8 m3, and find the pressure to be 1.4 times atmospheric pressure. What is the typical speed of a hydrogen molecule?

Homework Equations


v=(sqrt)((3*Boltzmann Constant*T)/mhydrogen

T=pv/nr

The Attempt at a Solution


I plugged in the values I had:

v=(sqrt)((3*(1.3806503*10^-23)*575*2.8)/1.67372354 × 10-27)

This doesn't work, though.

What's wrong in this procedure?
 
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v=(sqrt)((3*(1.3806503*10^-23)*575*2.8)/1.67372354 × 10-27)

This doesn't work, though.

What's wrong in this procedure?

Where did the 2.8 come from: Your equation was:

v=(sqrt)((3*Boltzmann Constant*T)/mhydrogen
 
kinetic energy is related to typical speed. We know that the typical speed is proportional to temperature.
So first you should find the temperature using the ideal gas law.

When temperature is known, use the average translational kinetic energy of a molecule:
(3/2)k*T where k = Boltzmann's constant.
Set this equal to (1/2)mv^2 which is the formula for KE using:
m = mass of a hydrogen molecule to find v.
m is given as 83moles.
 
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The OP has already found the temperature as well as the correct formula for v. He also found the right value for "m", which isn't 83 moles; it's 1.67e-27 kg. The only problem with his solution is that he has an extra 2.8 in there.
 

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