Calculating Horse Race Energy & Power

In summary, the conversation discusses the question of how to calculate the energy and power expended by a horse in a given race, taking into account various factors such as weight, aerodynamic drag, and efficiency. The participants also discuss the potential use of simplified analogues and regression models to compare the power outputs of different horses and predict race outcomes, as well as the role of equine biomechanics in this field.
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Mgt3
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Here's a question I've been thinking about for a long time. I can't figure out the answer. How do you calculate the energy and power expanded by a horse in a given race if you know the horse's weight and the surface on which it runs? Thank you.
 
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I think you have to know the horse's aerodynamic drag, also. And how efficiently it runs (how much up-and-down motion as compared to straight-ahead motion).

But the nice thing about this is that you can ignore all these factors and simply say that one horse in a race expends energy at the rate of exactly one horseopwer; then just multiply by how long it ran!
 
  • #3
LURCH said:
I think you have to know the horse's aerodynamic drag, also. And how efficiently it runs (how much up-and-down motion as compared to straight-ahead motion).

But the nice thing about this is that you can ignore all these factors and simply say that one horse in a race expends energy at the rate of exactly one horseopwer; then just multiply by how long it ran!

What I'm looking to do is compare the power outputs of different horses in a given race. It can't that all horses make the same power.
 
  • #4
A kinesiologist would put a breathing mask over an exercising subject (horse on a treadmill) and measure the oxygen uptake, which would reveal its rate of caloric production (power). But what portion of the calories is doing mechanical work?

A subject burns carbs at 4 kcal/gm (or fat at 9 kcal/gm, or protein 4 kcal/gm) and oxygen, in yielding calories. Roughly speaking, the energy is divided between: 60% in body heat, 20% in metabolic processes, and 20% in muscular activity. But that last number, 20%, could vary between 15% and 25% amongst individuals. Oh! so some individuals are more energy efficient than others.

But that muscular activity is undertaken to yield or react to various mechanical processes: locomotion (that is what we want), inelastic deformation of the track, aerodynamic drag, and mechanical (inelastic) losses in the joints, tendons and ligaments. The portions of the aforementioned is not constant amongst athletes and their environment. Consider that a mushy track will waste energy, as would a poor running gate. But what is the portion resulting in locomotion? I would consider this analysis to be daunting.

Instead, I would solve this problem with a simplified analogue. I would model this as an object moving through a viscous medium where the only energy loss is through hydrodynamic drag. Consider moving a torpedo through water would be easy enough to model mathematically. Then, the parameters for drag loss needs to be calibrated to have the model match the reality of a horse; ie: to suggest their power relative to their track speed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_(physics )

Power:
P = Fd*d/t

Resisting force due to drag:
Fd = -0.5*rho*v^2*A*Cd

Legend:
d = Distance travelled.
t = Time of travel.
rho = Density of fluid.
v = Speed moving through the fluid.
A = Reference area of object.
Cd= Drag coefficient.

Parameters:
v = Real speed of horse.
A = Instead, I would use horse's weight.
Cd= Instead, I would use horse's height.

Calibration:
rho= This needs to an arbitrary value used to calibrate the model.

In the end, this simple model might be able to estimate the relative ratio of power between horses. It could not be used to calculate absolute power of those horses.
 
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Skeleton,

Could your simplified analogue be used to compute a horse's relative power for its history of races and plotted on a statistical distribution and the same done for other horses to predict the winner of a race?
 
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Yes, (well maybe) BUT it would require calibrating the model to each individual horse. However, this would be a highly UNRELIABLE model in using for horse race prediction.

Instead, I would develop a regression model using second-order or third-order variables with parameters taken for:

HORSE:
- Weight.
- Height.
- Age.
- Last injuries and severity.

JOCKEY:
- Who it is?

OUTCOME:
- Placement history.
- Travel time of race.

...

I might have missed a few parameters.
Hum ... now you got me thinking ($).
 
  • #7
Mgt3 said:
What I'm looking to do is compare the power outputs of different horses in a given race. It can't that all horses make the same power.


Sorry, that part was supposed to be a joke.
 
  • #8
Mgt3 said:
Skeleton,

Could your simplified analogue be used to compute a horse's relative power for its history of races and plotted on a statistical distribution and the same done for other horses to predict the winner of a race?

Power alone is not the thing you're looking for. I've seen some Shires from Michigan that can put out peak power over 15 hp but I think most any decent high school miler could outrun them. You need a well balanced body, power, a good stride, a certain size, and heart. There are folks now doing equine biomechanics who have lots and lots of data and they pretty much can't make a living at the track.
 
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skeleton said:
A kinesiologist would put a breathing mask over an exercising subject (horse on a treadmill) and measure the oxygen uptake, which would reveal its rate of caloric production (power). But what portion of the calories is doing mechanical work?

A subject burns carbs at 4 kcal/gm (or fat at 9 kcal/gm, or protein 4 kcal/gm) and oxygen, in yielding calories. Roughly speaking, the energy is divided between: 60% in body heat, 20% in metabolic processes, and 20% in muscular activity. But that last number, 20%, could vary between 15% and 25% amongst individuals. Oh! so some individuals are more energy efficient than others.

But that muscular activity is undertaken to yield or react to various mechanical processes: locomotion (that is what we want), inelastic deformation of the track, aerodynamic drag, and mechanical (inelastic) losses in the joints, tendons and ligaments. The portions of the aforementioned is not constant amongst athletes and their environment. Consider that a mushy track will waste energy, as would a poor running gate. But what is the portion resulting in locomotion? I would consider this analysis to be daunting.

Instead, I would solve this problem with a simplified analogue. I would model this as an object moving through a viscous medium where the only energy loss is through hydrodynamic drag. Consider moving a torpedo through water would be easy enough to model mathematically. Then, the parameters for drag loss needs to be calibrated to have the model match the reality of a horse; ie: to suggest their power relative to their track speed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_(physics )

Power:
P = Fd*d/t

Resisting force due to drag:
Fd = -0.5*rho*v^2*A*Cd

Legend:
d = Distance travelled.
t = Time of travel.
rho = Density of fluid.
v = Speed moving through the fluid.
A = Reference area of object.
Cd= Drag coefficient.

Parameters:
v = Real speed of horse.
A = Instead, I would use horse's weight.
Cd= Instead, I would use horse's height.

Calibration:
rho= This needs to an arbitrary value used to calibrate the model.

In the end, this simple model might be able to estimate the relative ratio of power between horses. It could not be used to calculate absolute power of those horses.

What are you referring to when you say reference area of object? Thanks
 
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1. How do you calculate a horse's race energy and power?

To calculate a horse's race energy and power, you need to know the horse's weight, race distance, and race time. First, you calculate the horse's energy by multiplying its weight by the distance it ran. Then, you divide the energy by the race time to get the power.

2. Why is it important to calculate a horse's race energy and power?

Calculating a horse's race energy and power can give insight into its performance and potential. It can also help trainers and owners make informed decisions about training and racing strategies.

3. Are there any limitations to calculating a horse's race energy and power?

Yes, there are limitations to calculating a horse's race energy and power. Factors such as track conditions, wind, and the horse's physical condition can affect the accuracy of the calculation. Additionally, this calculation does not take into account the horse's racing strategy or tactics.

4. Can race energy and power calculations be used for all horse races?

Race energy and power calculations are most accurate for races that are run at a consistent speed, such as flat races. They may not be as accurate for races with varied speeds, such as steeplechase or hurdle races.

5. How can race energy and power calculations be used to improve horse racing?

Race energy and power calculations can be used to evaluate a horse's performance and training methods, identify areas for improvement, and make more informed decisions about racing strategies. They can also be used to compare different horses and track their progress over time.

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