How a series & parallel cap works?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the behavior of capacitors when connected in series and parallel configurations, particularly in relation to voltage changes over time when a circuit is activated. Participants explore concepts of voltage ramping, the immediate effects on connected devices like light bulbs, and the potential use of capacitors for backup power.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the voltage across a capacitor in series needs to be fully charged before it can be observed, and whether there is a slow rise in voltage or an instant effect.
  • Another participant notes that capacitors behave oppositely to resistors in series and parallel, suggesting a fundamental difference in their electrical properties.
  • There are links provided to external resources that aim to clarify capacitor behavior, but some participants express that these do not fully address their specific questions.
  • A participant describes the voltage across a capacitor as ramping up exponentially towards the battery voltage, detailing the mathematical relationship involving resistance and capacitance.
  • Concerns are raised about whether the light bulb would illuminate immediately or exhibit a ramping effect, with one participant suggesting that the light would initially be bright and then dim as the capacitor charges.
  • Another participant challenges the interpretation of the light's behavior, asserting that the capacitor's effect might be negligible due to the rapid time constant involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how the light bulb behaves when a capacitor is included in the circuit, with some asserting that the light will ramp down while others question the significance of this effect. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise impact of the capacitor on the light's illumination.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference mathematical relationships and time constants but do not reach a consensus on the practical implications of these calculations in real-world scenarios. The discussion highlights the complexity of capacitor behavior in circuits and the assumptions involved in their analysis.

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Hi, I have a newbie question regarding caps in series and parallel.

When you apply voltage to a cap in a circuit, is there a difference in the voltage on the other side of the cap between the methods of use above?

Like a cap in series, does it need to be charged fully for the voltage to be seen after the cap? Or will there be a slow rise in voltage? Or is there just instant power after the cap? The same question for a parallel cap. But it seems voltage would just "skip" over a parallel cap and continue on since there's a direct electrical connection to the other end, and there wouldn't be a ramping of voltage.

Could both connection methods be used for "backup" power, so to speak, if the main power is disconnected from the cap?
 
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This reply only in reference to your basic question. To ask this question you already know how resistors work in parallel or series. With caps they work backwards. For example, two 100 ohm resistors in series equal 200 ohms. Two 100 ohm resistors in parallel equal 50 ohms. It is the reverse with caps.
 
stewartcs said:
This should help you understand a little better...

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/capac.html

Here is a good analogy as well...

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/airtank.html#c1

Those links are fairly informative, but they still didn't answer my question. Let's say I have a circuit with a battery->switch->cap->light. If I turn the switch on, would the light illuminate immediately with full voltage or would you see a slow "ramping" effect as the cap charges? If so, would this be the same for a series cap or a parallel cap?

Also, do both series and parallel caps filter voltage transients on a line the same?
 
The voltage on the capacitor would "ramp up", approaching the steady state value (the battery voltage) asymptotically (exponentially, in fact). More specifically, if the battery voltage is [itex]V_0[/itex], the capacitance is [itex]C[/itex], and the resistance of the light bulb is [itex]R[/itex] then the voltage across the capacitor will be given by

[tex]v_C(t) = V_0(1 - e^{-t/RC})[/tex]

If you like differential equations, then you can verity this. Of course, there will only be a current across the capacitor if its voltage is changing (i.e. during the ramp up phase). More specifically, the current through the cap will be given by:

[tex]i_C(t) = C \frac{dv_C}{dt} = \frac{V_0}{R} e^{-t/RC}[/tex]

So although the voltage across the cap is increasing, it is doing so at an ever decreasing rate, so the current across it decays exponentially. In fact, from this second result, we can see that when the switch is thrown, the light will initially light up at full intensity (as though the cap weren't there), but then it will gradually dim down to nothing.

"Gradually", of course, is misleading. We can see that the current will reach 1/e of its starting value when t = RC. This (RC) is called the time constant, [itex]\tau [/tex]. The circuit probably has a very small time constant. I don't know what the resistance of your typical light bulb is, but let's use values of resistance and capacitance that are common in electronics. Let's say the resistance is on the order of kiloohms, and the capacitance on the order of nanofarads. Then the time constant will be on the order of microseconds, making me wonder if we'd even notice the flash. In fact, I find myself doubting the current will have flown long enough to heat up the filament sufficiently. Can anyone comment on this?[/itex]
 
So the light wouldn't "ramp" up, and the cap makes no difference?
 
Pro289 said:
So the light wouldn't "ramp" up, and the cap makes no difference?

Huh? Umm...no? I think I said in quite a bit of detail what it would do in my previous post. I said that it would start off bright immediately and then would dim down until it was completely unlit (once the cap was charged). I also said that this would happen over such a short timescale that it might not happen at all, or even if it did, we may not perceive it. If anything, the circuit might behave as though the lightbulb weren't there, and it was just the cap.
 

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