How about Mechanisms of Metal Cooling in a Vacuum?

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The discussion revolves around the mechanisms of cooling for a piece of hot metal placed in a perfect vacuum. Participants explore the methods of heat transfer available in such an environment, including the role of electromagnetic radiation and the potential effects of sublimation or evaporation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that when hot metal is placed in cold water, heat transfers until thermal equilibrium is reached, prompting a question about cooling in a vacuum.
  • Another participant suggests that cooling in a vacuum occurs through the emission of electromagnetic radiation, particularly in the infrared spectrum.
  • A third participant states that heat transfer in a vacuum can only occur via radiation, referencing common methods of heat transfer: conduction, convection, and radiation.
  • One participant introduces the concept of sublimation as a potential cooling mechanism, questioning whether it could be considered part of the cooling process.
  • Another participant clarifies the distinction between sublimation and ablation, suggesting that the removal of material through evaporation could carry away heat, contributing to cooling.
  • A later reply emphasizes that if a hot piece of metal loses energy through evaporation, it could be considered part of the cooling process, although this raises semantic questions about the definition of cooling.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the mechanisms of cooling in a vacuum, particularly concerning the roles of radiation and sublimation. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the limitations of their discussion, including the dependence on definitions of cooling and the potential ambiguity surrounding the processes of sublimation and evaporation.

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If you put a piece of very hot metal in cold water the heat in the metal will transfer to the water until both are the same temperature. So the system water-metal still has the same initial energy.

So my question is how does the piece of metal cool if it is put on a perfect vacuum.

Is it electromagnetic waves that the metal emits or something like that?
 
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travelalfred said:
If you put a piece of very hot metal in cold water the heat in the metal will transfer to the water until both are the same temperature. So the system water-metal still has the same initial energy.

So my question is how does the piece of metal cool if it is put on a perfect vacuum.

Is it electromagnetic waves that the metal emits or something like that?

Same way the sun transfers its heat energy to the Earth - radiant, electromagnetic energy. A large part of such energy resides in the infrared spectrum of the EM radiation.

Zz.
 
Heat transfers via conduction, convection or radiation. Only the last is available in a perfect vacuum. Wikipedia likely has discussions on each.
 
What about sublimation? :-p
 
Borek said:
What about sublimation? :-p
You mean ablation? Or I guess evaporation.

That is the removal of the material itself, carrying away heat with it. I guess, technically, that is simply moving material around, not actually removing heat from the material.
 
I mean http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sublimation_(chemistry ) - so your second guess is correct.

If I have a hot piece of metal in vacuum and it loses part of the energy by evaporating itself, I would call it part of the cooling process, just like evaporation is part of the cooling process of the tea I have on my desk. This is just semantics and it depends on what we understand by "cooling piece of metal".
 
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