How can ΔJ = 0 for an electric dipole transition?

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The discussion revolves around the conditions under which the change in total angular momentum (ΔJ) can be zero during electric dipole transitions in multi-electron atoms. Participants explore the implications of selection rules, particularly in the context of angular momentum conservation and the behavior of electrons during transitions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that in multi-electron atoms, while a single electron transition still adheres to Δl = ±1, the selection rule for total angular momentum allows for ΔJ = 0, ±1, raising questions about angular momentum conservation when ΔJ = 0.
  • Another participant clarifies that J is not strictly equal to L + S and can take various values, indicating that ΔJ = 0 does not necessitate ΔL = 0.
  • A further contribution explains that the angular momentum of the emitted photon can influence the relative orientation of L and S, suggesting that this reorientation allows for ΔJ = 0 transitions without violating conservation laws.
  • Participants express agreement on the clarification that transitions where both L and J are zero are forbidden due to the lack of relative orientation for angular momentum transfer.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the clarification regarding the relationship between J, L, and S, but the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these relationships for angular momentum conservation in specific transitions.

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The discussion highlights the complexity of angular momentum in multi-electron systems and the specific conditions under which certain transitions are allowed or forbidden, without resolving the underlying assumptions or dependencies on definitions.

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Consider a multi-electron atom. (In our course we deal with alkalis mostly so that we have energy levels which are similar to the hydrogenic ones with quantum defect. I don't know if that is relevant here)

Edit: l = orbital angular momentum of a single electron, L = total orbital angular momentum of the electrons, J = L+S with S = total spin

For an electric dipole transition in hydrogen Δl = ±1. Since we only consider one electron jumping at a time in multi electron atoms, for that single electron it's still true that Δl = ±1. However, one of the selection rules for multi electron atoms is that ΔJ=0,±1. Since ΔS=0, ΔL=0,±1. (if L=0 initially, then the 0 change is not possible). How is it possible for total angular momentum change to be 0 though? If only one electron transitions at a time and one photon is emitted, that photon carries away ±1 unit of angular momentum, but if the overall angular momentum change of the atom is 0, how is angular momentum conserved?

For instance, if an electron jumps from 4s->3p there is already +1 change in ΔL. This single electron cannot go 4s->3s so that ΔL=0, since that is forbidden for an electric dipole transition. So for a e.g. 4s->3p transition, do the other electrons rearrange themselves somehow? I was thinking the other electrons must have some role in this, as this 0 change in L is not possible for a single electron atom.
 
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J is not necessarily L + S. J can take values L + S, L + S - 1, ... L - S (as far as those values are positive). Thus ΔJ = 0 does not imply that ΔL = 0.
A single electron is 4s gives a term 2S1/2. In 3p, it gives 2P1/2 and 2P3/2, both of which are accessible from 2S1/2. The transition 2S1/22P1/2 has ΔS = 0 and ΔJ = 0, but ΔL = 1.
 
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To complete @mjc123 good answer, the angular momentum of the photon "goes into" a reorientation of the relative orientation of L and S. This is why L = 0 ↔ L = 0 and J = 0 ↔ J = 0 transitions are forbidden: if L = 0 or J = 0, then there is no relative orientation to begin with, so the angular moment of the photon must go into changing L or J.
 
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mjc123 said:
J is not necessarily L + S. J can take values L + S, L + S - 1, ... L - S (as far as those values are positive). Thus ΔJ = 0 does not imply that ΔL = 0.
A single electron is 4s gives a term 2S1/2. In 3p, it gives 2P1/2 and 2P3/2, both of which are accessible from 2S1/2. The transition 2S1/22P1/2 has ΔS = 0 and ΔJ = 0, but ΔL = 1.

That makes a lot of sense! Thank you.

DrClaude said:
To complete @mjc123 good answer, the angular momentum of the photon "goes into" a reorientation of the relative orientation of L and S. This is why L = 0 ↔ L = 0 and J = 0 ↔ J = 0 transitions are forbidden: if L = 0 or J = 0, then there is no relative orientation to begin with, so the angular moment of the photon must go into changing L or J.

Thanks for the clarification!
 

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