How can I accurately model a digital control valve without physical testing?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around modeling a digital control valve without access to a physical prototype. Participants explore the complexities of accurately simulating the valve's behavior, particularly focusing on its flow rate, pressure drop, and response to solenoid activation.

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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks assistance in deriving a mathematical model for a digital control valve, emphasizing the need for a simulator that mimics the valve's behavior.
  • Another participant questions what specific aspects of the valve are being modeled, suggesting the use of a catalogued performance map as a potential model.
  • The original poster clarifies that the model should account for the operation of two solenoid valves and requests details on how to quantify the closing time, distance covered by the piston, and flow rate profile.
  • A participant with experience in pressure relief valves argues that accurate modeling of flow versus lift profiles typically requires empirical flow testing due to the complexity of valve configurations.
  • This participant also notes that simulation programs developed for similar purposes relied on equations derived from actual flow test results, indicating the challenges of modeling without physical data.
  • Concerns are raised about the necessity of understanding the flow versus lift profile, given that the valve is designed to self-actuate based on controlling parameters.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of modeling the valve without empirical data. While some suggest alternative approaches, others emphasize the limitations of such methods without physical testing.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on empirical data for accurate modeling, as well as the potential variability in flow profiles based on valve configuration and size.

Who May Find This Useful

Engineers and designers involved in valve simulation, control systems, and those interested in modeling fluid dynamics in mechanical systems may find this discussion relevant.

shubham nerkar
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hi,
i want to derive a model of digital control valve. i don't have physical valve with me. still i have to develop such a simulator which can behave the same as the digital control valve.
the working concept of digital control valve is little bit different than normal control valve.
here is the working of the valve
http://www2.emersonprocess.com/siteadmincenter/PM Daniel Documents/788DVControlValve-DS.pdf

can any1 help me out how to do it?
 
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What, exactly, about the valve are you trying to model? Flow rate and pressure drop vs position? Can't you just use the catalogued performance map as your model?
 
the main value is controlled by the 2 solenoid valves N.O and N.C. which actually uses either high pressure or low pressure available across the valve. so i want a mathematical model for the behavior of valve. if the NO and NC are not energized the valve will close. suppose initially valve is full open, so if i made it to close in how much time and how much distance will the piston covers and finally the flow rate profile .
 
As someone involved in the design, engineering and testing of modulating ASME Section 8 Pressure Vessel Code PRV's (Pressure Relief Valves) I can tell you that due to the complex flow path in both right angle and angle body valves the only way to get an accurate flow vs. lift profile for a given valve configuration is by flow testing. Even in the case of a given valve configuration the flow vs lift profile will vary for different sizes of that configuration.

I developed a series of simulation programs such as you desire for our product lines and all of those have programs have required equations based upon curve fitting of actual flow test results for each valve configuration and size combination to accurately reflect the true action of the valves.

At the same time, I would be surprised if Daniel has not done this type of testing in the development of their valves so you might try contacting them to see if they have the data you require.

As a general question, why you are concerned about the flow vs. lift profile on this control valve. The unit is designed to be self actuated to control its flow rate based upon the selected controlling parameter(s), i.e, discharge backpressure or other customer chosen input.
 

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