How can I build a sound controlled LED circuit without a programmed chip?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around building a sound-controlled LED circuit that responds to varying sound levels detected by an electret microphone. Participants explore the feasibility of creating this circuit without using a programmed chip, focusing on circuit design and component selection.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their goal of lighting a varying number of LEDs based on sound input from an electret microphone, seeking advice on circuit design without a programmed chip.
  • Another participant identifies the project as a VU meter and inquires if it is a school project.
  • A participant shares a circuit they found that could work for their needs but expresses uncertainty about connecting the electret microphone to the circuit for proper voltage input.
  • A suggestion is made to use a specific amplifier circuit that provides a gain of about 70 and outputs around 2 volts from the electret microphone, along with advice on connecting it to LED driver chips without rectifying the signal.
  • There is a question about the compatibility of connecting the amplifier circuit to a different type of operational amplifier circuit instead of the recommended LED driver chips.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the original circuit's design, particularly about the voltage limits set by voltage dividers, which may cause LEDs to remain lit even without sound.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for the LEDs to turn off in the absence of sound and suggests that rectification of the input might be necessary.
  • Discussion includes the availability of the LM3914/5 chips, noting potential scarcity and their usefulness for the project.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of rectifying the input signal and the appropriateness of using specific components, indicating that multiple competing approaches exist without a clear consensus on the best solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention specific circuit components and configurations, but there are unresolved questions about the optimal design for connecting the microphone and the implications of using different operational amplifiers.

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Hey.

I am currently working on building a circuit that should receive sound input from an electret mic, and then based on the output voltage, light up a certain number of LED's. For example, if the sound is low it should light one LED, and if it's very high 3 LED's. I imagine that 3 LED's total is a good number.

I have tried different setups with no luck so far. Does anybody here have any experience with a build like this, and is it possible to make without a programmed chip?
 
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Welcome to PF ulverbeast.

Is this a school project? What you are trying to put together is called a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VU_meter" .
 
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Hello.

Yes, that is what I am trying to make, it is however, not a school project.

Thanks for your suggestion, I found a circuit though that'll do the trick.

http://www.discovercircuits.com/PDF-FILES/voltst1.pdf"

The only problem I have now is that I don't know how to connect the electret mic to the circuit, at the voltage input. Anybody that knows?

Edit: What I need is just to connect the electret microphone to the circuit, so that when it receives sound input, it'll send a DC current with varying voltage into the circuit.
 
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[PLAIN]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4222062/microphone%20amplifier.PNG

This amplifier gives a gain of about 70, depending on the transistor used.
It can give about 2 volts from an electret microphone.
I have used it many times and it works well.

The data sheets for the LM3914 and LM3915 LED driver chips say it is OK to apply an AC signal to pin 5 of these chips (the normal input) as long as the signal does not exceed 35 volts positive or negative.
This means you don't need to rectify the signal before using it. Rectifying it would raise problems of losing some of the signal across diodes.

So, you could just take the signal from the microphone amplifier above, directly to pin 5 of a LM3914 or LM3915, and then drive LEDs with it.
 
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Do you think I could connect that amplifier circuit to the circuit I posted previously, with the LM339 operational amplifiers, instead of an LM3914/5?
 
The circuit you posted uses two voltage dividers (made with 1% resistors) to set a high limit of 5.2 volts and a low limit of 4.8 volts. So with a 2 volt max. input, the LOW LED would always be on.
 
Yes, that is right. You would really want all the lights to go off if there was no sound.
Also, you would probably need to rectify the input.

Radio Shack, Fry's and Sparkfun don't carry the LM3914/5 but Futurlec have them for US$1.75.

Maybe they are becoming rare, but they are great chips if you can find them.
 

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