How can i calculate the attached integral?

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The discussion revolves around calculating integrals, specifically focusing on the integral ∫(x² dx)/(x²+a) and another integral ∫dx/((1-x)(1+x²)). Participants explore methods for simplifying these integrals and express challenges in writing mathematical equations.

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  • Technical explanation, Mathematical reasoning, Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests help with an integral presented in a zip file, prompting others to suggest typing out the integral instead.
  • Another participant suggests using long division to simplify the integral ∫(x² dx)/(x²+a) into an integrable form.
  • Several participants propose an alternative method of rewriting the integral using algebraic manipulation, expressing appreciation for the elegance of this approach.
  • A new integral ∫dx/((1-x)(1+x²)) is introduced, with a participant suggesting the use of partial fractions to solve it.
  • There are inquiries about how to write equations using \LaTeX, indicating some participants are unfamiliar with the formatting.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to simplify the integrals for calculation, but there are multiple approaches suggested for doing so, and no consensus on a single method is reached.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about how to properly format equations in the forum, indicating a potential barrier to clear communication of mathematical ideas.

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How can i calculate the attached integral?
 

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Most people on PhysicsForums are understandably leery of opening a zip file. Maybe if you could type your integral out for us we'd be more likely to look at it.
 


It might be a decent idea to disallow executable files from being attached?

Please type out the integral or use [tex]\LaTeX[/tex] to display mathematics.
 


ok
excuse me
i typed it here

∫(x^(2 ) dx)/(x^2+a)
 


You should be able to use long division to get the function in integrable form.
 


Or:
[tex]\frac{x^2}{x^2+ a}= \frac{x^2+ a- a}{x^2+ a}= \frac{x^2+ a}{x^2+ a}-\frac{a}{x^2+ a}= 1- \frac{a}{x^2+a}[/tex]
 


HallsofIvy said:
Or:
[tex]\frac{x^2}{x^2+ a}= \frac{x^2+ a- a}{x^2+ a}= \frac{x^2+ a}{x^2+ a}-\frac{a}{x^2+ a}= 1- \frac{a}{x^2+a}[/tex]

I'd never thought of that until you posted a similar expansion in the homework forums. It's really quite elegant compared to long division.
 


thanks very much
 
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I can't calculate this integral:
∫dx/((1-x)(1+x^2))
please guid me
thanks
 
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For this one you're going to need to use partial fractions. That is find A, B, and C such that:

[tex]\frac{1}{(1-x)(1+x^2)} = \frac{A}{1-x} + \frac{Bx+C}{1+x^2}[/tex]

You can multiply both sides by (1-x)(1+x^2), and then equate the coefficients of powers of x to get a system of equations that you can solve.
 
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Thank you Mis Char Limit
question:
how can i write equations ?
 
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hokhani said:
how can i write equations ?

The forum has support for [itex]\LaTeX[/itex] typesetting. A guide is available here: https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=386951

You can click on the [itex]\LaTeX[/itex] images to see the code used to produce them.
 
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HallsofIvy said:
Or:
[tex]\frac{x^2}{x^2+ a}= \frac{x^2+ a- a}{x^2+ a}= \frac{x^2+ a}{x^2+ a}-\frac{a}{x^2+ a}= 1- \frac{a}{x^2+a}[/tex]
This is so beautiful!
 

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