How can I calculate the drag force of a car on a hill?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the drag force (FD) acting on a car moving up a hill, with a specific focus on determining the drag coefficient (CD). The original poster provides various parameters including car mass, rolling resistance, cross-sectional area, air density, and hill gradient, while expressing confusion about how to find FD without knowing CD.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between drag force and drag coefficient, questioning how to derive FD when CD is unknown. There are suggestions to apply a force balance on the car, considering its constant speed and the incline of the hill.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on applying force balance principles. There is an acknowledgment of the need for additional information regarding acceleration, but the original poster clarifies that the car maintains a constant speed.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the absence of acceleration data, which is critical for applying force balance effectively. The original poster reiterates the constant speed of 55 mph and the hill's gradient, which may influence the forces acting on the car.

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Hi

I am currently trying to work out the drag coefficient of a car, I know the formulae to work out CD, this being CD=FD/0.5xρv^2A. I can not figure out how to find FD as the formulae for this requires CD. Is there another way to find FD? The information I have is as follows:

Car Mass: 1350 kg
Rolling Resistance: 400 N
Cross Sectional Area: 2.2 m^2
Density of Air: 1.23 kg m^-3
Hill Gradient: 3.18 degrees

To find CD the equation below is used

CD=FD/0.5xρv^2A

However to find FD CD is requiredAN ATTEMPT AT THE SOLUTION WOULD BE

?FD?/0.5 x 1.23 kg/m^3 x 24.590 m/s^2 x 2.2

It is just the FD part I am not too sure about.I would greatly apprecitate any help offered as I am now completely stumped.

Thanks
 
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Are you given the acceleration of the car?

If you are you can apply a force balance on the car to get the value for FD.
 
Hi yes I am given a speed of 55mph.
 
Are you given time or distance or anything to work out the acceleration or work done by the car?
 
Hi

Sorry you asked for acceleration in your previous post and I gave you speed :redface:

I am not given acceleration but I am told that it is on a hill that is 3.18 degrees to the horizontal.

EDIT: Sorry I already mentioned that. It maintains a constant speed of 55mph.
 
philo2005 said:
Hi

Sorry you asked for acceleration in your previous post and I gave you speed :redface:

I am not given acceleration but I am told that it is on a hill that is 3.18 degrees to the horizontal.

EDIT: Sorry I already mentioned that. It maintains a constant speed of 55mph.

Then you should apply a force balance on the car, since it is moving at constant speed then the resultant force on the body is zero.

If you do that then you can get FD and hence CD
 

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