How Can I Calculate the Force Produced by an Electromagnet?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the force produced by an electromagnet, specifically in the context of launching a mass using a solenoid design. Participants explore the relationship between voltage, current, and the resulting force, while seeking a suitable expression for their design project.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses the need for an expression to calculate the force of the electromagnet based on voltage and current, referencing the equation F=q(v x B) but struggling with the definitions of charge (q) and velocity (v).
  • Another participant suggests starting with a Wikipedia article on solenoids, implying it may contain relevant information.
  • A different participant notes that the equation F=q(v x B) may not be appropriate for an electromagnet and provides an alternative formula: Force = B^2 A / 2 mu_0, where B is defined in terms of the number of turns, current, and length of the solenoid.
  • The original poster mentions the mass to be launched (0.02 kilograms) and inquires about the role of capacitors in the system, specifying constraints on the power supply voltage (no more than 24 volts) and the use of an 18.8 V rechargeable drill battery.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants have not reached consensus on the appropriate method for calculating the force produced by the electromagnet, with differing opinions on the relevance of the initial equation and the alternative formula provided. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to take.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about measuring charge and velocity in the context of the electromagnet's operation. There are also limitations regarding the assumptions made in the equations discussed, particularly in relation to the specific design and operational parameters of the solenoid.

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I'm part of a design group for a university design course and we need to launch a mass using the solenoid idea (iron rod wrapped with wire). The problem that I am having is calculating the force produced by the electromagnet given a certain voltage and current.

I know that F=q(v x B)
in this equation we are assuming that the field is perpendicular so what we have is just F=qvB
What I need is an expression that gives the force produced by the electromagnet as a function of variables that I can find, such as voltage, current...

In the above equation, I'm trying to find the force but I do not know what v is and q. q is the charge but how do I measure that? Any help would be beneficial.
 
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I already tried sources on wikipedia and on hyperphysics. I need to know how to solve for the charge of the electromagnet and the velocity.
 
F=q(v x B) isn't really appropriate for an electronmagnet

For a solenoidm, the force on the core is
Force = B^2 A / 2 mu_0

where, B = mu_relative * number of turns * current / length
 
I forgot to mention that the mass being launched is .02 kilograms. If capacitors were to be used, how would they help? The mass needs to be launched a distance of 6 to 10 meters. Another requirement is that the power supply can not be no more than 24 volts. What we are using is a 18.8 V rechargeable drill battery.
 

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