How can I determine the direction of parametrization for a curve?

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The discussion revolves around the process of finding a vector-valued function that parametrizes a curve, specifically an ellipse defined by the equation 4x² + 9y² = 36. Participants explore the concept of parametrization, including the direction of traversal along the curve.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks for a general method to find a vector-valued function for parametrizing a curve, indicating a lack of depth in their textbook on the topic.
  • Another participant explains that there is no universal algorithm for parameterization, suggesting that it often arises from geometric or physical insights. They identify the given equation as an ellipse and provide its standard form, noting its center and vertices.
  • Standard parametric equations for a circle are mentioned, with a suggestion that modifying these can yield the desired ellipse's equations.
  • A participant expresses gratitude for the explanation and inquires about assigning unit vectors to the x and y equations to form a vector-valued function.
  • Another participant confirms that the vector form can be expressed as v(t) = f(t)i + g(t)j, where f(t) and g(t) correspond to the x and y equations, respectively.
  • One participant points out that the original post mentioned a direction for the parameterization, which was not specified. They clarify that their parameterization traverses the ellipse counterclockwise, while an alternative parameterization would result in a clockwise traversal.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the nature of the ellipse and the approach to parametrization, but there is a disagreement regarding the direction of traversal, with different parameterizations leading to different directions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the absence of a definitive method for parameterization and the reliance on geometric insights. The direction of traversal is contingent on the choice of parameterization, which remains unresolved in terms of preference or correctness.

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Is there a general way to find a vector valued function that parametrizes a curve? I'm reading through a textbook and it says nothing in depth about parametrization and suddenly there's a question...

Find a vector valued function f that parametrizes the curve in the direction indicated.

4x^2 + 9y^2 = 36





Can someone please help me with this example and shed some light on parametrization?
 
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There is no general "algorithm" for finding a parameterization- it usually results from some geometric or physical insight into the problem. Here, for example, I would recognise the graph of [itex]4x^2+ 9y^2= 36[/itex] as an ellipse which, in "standard form", would be [itex]x^2/9+ y^2/4= 1[/itex]. In that form I can see that the ellipse has center (0, 0) and has vertices at (3, 0), (-3, 0), (0, 2), and (0, -2).

And that I can think of as a "warped circle". Standard parametric equations for a circle with center at (0, 0) and radius R are [itex]x= R cos(\theta)[/itex] and [itex]y= R sin(\theta)[/itex]. Then it should be easy to see that choosing different values for "R" will give [itex]x= 3 cos(\theta)[/itex] and [itex]y= 2sin(\theta)[/itex] will give the desired ellipse.
 
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There is no general "algorithm" for finding a parameterization- it usually results from some geometric or physical insight into the problem. Here, for example, I would recognise the graph of [itex]4x^2+ 9y^2= 36[/itex] as an ellipse which, in "standard form", would be [itex]x^2/9+ y^2/4= 1[/itex]. In that form I can see that the ellipse has center (0, 0) and has vertices at (3, 0), (-3, 0), (0, 2), and (0, -2).

And that I can think of as a "warped circle". Standard parametric equations for a circle with center at (0, 0) and radius R are [itex]x= R cos(\theta)[/itex] and [itex]y= R sin(\theta)[/itex]. Then it should be easy to see that choosing different values for "R" will give [itex]x= 3 cos(\theta)[/itex] and [itex]y= 2sin(\theta)[/itex] will give the desired ellipse.

That was extremely helpful, thank you so much.

One more thing - when looking for a vector valued function, can I just assign the unit vectors to the x and y equations so that f(t) = 3cos(t)i + 2sin(t)j, where i and j are both unit vectors and t is the parameter?
 
Yes, of course, I should have said that: If x= f(t) and y= g(t) then the "vector form" is v(t)= xi+ yj= f(t)i+ g(t)j.
 
By the way, in your the post it says "in the direction indicated" but there was no "direction indicated". My parameterization "goes around" the ellipse as [itex]\theta[/itex] increases- in the counterclockwise direction. If, instead we use [itex]x= 3cos(t)[/itex], [itex]y= -2sin(t)[/itex], or v(t)= 3cos(t)i-2 sin(t)j goes around the ellipse in the clockwise direction.
 

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