How can I find out what kind of core material this is?

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The discussion revolves around identifying the core material of a component used in a project, with a focus on its properties such as thickness and permeability. Participants explore various materials, including ferrite and silicon steel, and consider alternative options like powdered metals.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests the core material might be silicon steel, typically used in transformer laminations.
  • Another participant questions whether silicon steel can have a permeability in the range of 700-1000, noting that it is usually available in thin laminations.
  • A suggestion is made to analyze the material to determine its composition and alloy.
  • Some participants propose that the core could be ferrite or a type of powdered metal, with one arguing that ferrite is too brittle to be the material in question.
  • Another participant expresses doubt about ferrite being the material due to its permeability being too low.
  • Participants mention various types of powdered metal cores, including Permalloy, Molypermalloy, and Kool Mu, and discuss the characteristics of these materials.
  • There is a consideration of how the core was constructed, with mention of using two cores back to back to enhance coupling and mutual inductance.
  • One participant notes that the reported permeability might include effects from an air gap, suggesting that precise inductance control could involve managing this gap.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the identity of the core material, with no consensus reached on whether it is ferrite, silicon steel, or a type of powdered metal. Multiple competing views remain regarding the material's properties and potential identification methods.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of permeability measurements and the influence of factors such as flux level, temperature, and frequency on these values. There is also mention of the potential for air gaps affecting inductance precision.

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I am working on a project and I need to find out what kind of core material this is...

Unfortuantely I cannot ask the person who had it because they no longer have it.
I don't think it's ferrite, the thickness is about .125", and the permeability is around 700-1000.
It had several coils on it and operated below 20kHz.

Anyone?
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Looks like silicon steel. Typical transformer lamination.
 
Ok, is there any kind of silicon steel with permeability in the range of 700-1000?

I think it's all one piece which is .125" thick though...Isin't silicon steel only available in thin laminations?
 
Yes that's too thick. Have it analyzed. For a few hundred dollars you can find out what's in it and guess the alloy.
 
It's probably ferrite. It's deninitely not silicon steel. Could be some sort of powdered metal.
Why don't you get ferrite and see if it works.
Ferrite is very brittle, see if it breaks when struck with a hammer.
 
No it's not ferrite, the permeability is too low I believe for it to be ferrite.


If it's not ferrite or silicon steel what else could it be?
 
You may want to Google "powdered metal cores"
Some powdered metal cores are Permalloy, Molypermalloy, Kool Mu, Powdered Iron...
Just out of curiosity, why are you so sure the permeability is 700-1000?
Ferrite with a gap could have this permeability.
 
The core was actutally made from two of these cores back to back to form a square core.

The cores were held tightly together on a jig to prevent a gap. The coils and core were designed to achieve a high coupling coefficient and mutual inductance.
 
Carl Pugh said:
Some powdered metal cores are Permalloy, Molypermalloy, Kool Mu, Powdered Iron...

Any metal can be ground up into powder, no? Permalloy and molypermalloy are quite common (although very expensive) in laminations. Kool Mu is defiinitely a powdered only material though.
 
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if they wanted precise inductance they controlled the air gap.

700 sounds low. i'll bet that includes their airgap which may be in thousandths.

look up permeability curves, they depend on flux level temperature frequency etc.
if you want precise inductance you include a gap to reduce those effects.
 

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