How can I simplify this derivative to make calculating arc length easier?

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The discussion revolves around simplifying the derivative of a function to facilitate the calculation of arc length. The function in question is defined over the interval from 0 to 2, and the arc length is to be calculated using the arc length formula involving the derivative.

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  • Participants discuss the original poster's derivative and suggest polynomial division as a potential simplification method. There are attempts to rewrite the derivative in different forms to make squaring it easier for the arc length calculation.

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Several participants have offered insights on how to approach the simplification of the derivative. There is an ongoing exploration of different algebraic manipulations, with some participants suggesting substitutions to streamline the expression. However, there is no explicit consensus on the best approach yet.

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Participants note the complexity of the derivative and the challenges in simplifying it for the arc length formula. There are indications of potential errors in calculations that are being addressed in the discussion.

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Hi! Here's my question on finding arc length. If I've taken the derivative correctly, is there anyway I can simplify it before putting it into the arc length formula?

Homework Statement


Find the arc length where 0\leqx\leq2
y=(x^{3}/3)+x^{2}+x+1/(4x+4)


Homework Equations


L=\intds=\sqrt{1+(dy/dx)^{2}}



The Attempt at a Solution


I've only taken the derivative so far:
(dy/dx)=x^{2}+2x+1-4(4x+4)^{-2}
=(x+1)^{2}-4(4x+4)^{-2}


I tried expanding the equation, but that only makes it more complex.

I know to find the arc length I need to square the derivative and place it in the formula (and possibly using substitution), but I'm just wondering how I can simplify the above equation to make it easier to square and calculate!
 
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Polynomial division! =]
 
Yeah you should get this if you do the polynomial division correctly:

\int_0^2 (x+1)^2 + \frac{1}{4(x+1)^4} dx.

To make things easier, denote (x+1) by A or some other letter, then it'll look easier.

EDIT: Fixed error
 
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I would look at it like this:
y'= x^2+ 2x+ 1- \frac{4}{(4x+ 4)^2}= x^2+ 2x+ 1- \frac{1}{4(x+1)^2}
= (x+ 1)^2- \left(\frac{1}{2(x+1)}\right)^2
so
(y')^2= (x+1)^4- 1/2+ \left(\frac{1}{2(x+1)}\right)^4
(y')^2+ 1= (x+1)^4+ 1/2+ \left(\frac{1}{2(x+1)}\right)^4
= \left((x+1)^2+ \left(\frac{1}{2(x+1)}\right)^2\right)^2
so that
\sqrt{(y')^2+ 1}= (x+1)^2+ \frac{1}{2(x+2)}
 
HallsofIvy said:
= \left((x+1)^2+ \left(\frac{1}{2(x+1)}\right)^2\right)^2
so that
\sqrt{(y')^2+ 1}= (x+1)^2+ \frac{1}{2(x+2)}
There's a small error here, the last term should read 1/4(x+1)^2 instead.
 

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