How can I solve this structural mechanics problem accurately?

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The discussion revolves around solving a structural mechanics problem related to forces and moments in a system described in a homework statement. Participants explore various approaches to analyze the system, which involves concepts of static equilibrium and structural indeterminacy.

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  • One participant describes their approach to the problem, detailing calculations for forces and moments, but expresses uncertainty about the correctness of their results.
  • Another participant suggests that the problem is statically indeterminate but notes that the axial nature of the force in one of the bars provides additional information that could be useful.
  • A different participant asserts that the problem is statically determinate, likening it to a 3-hinged arch, and questions whether the original poster can derive a solution from this perspective.
  • One participant points out potential errors in the original poster's calculations, specifically regarding the placement of forces and the signs used in the equations.
  • Another participant simplifies the problem by suggesting that the strain in one of the bars can be ignored, leading to a straightforward calculation of the applied load.
  • A further suggestion involves using geometric relationships to find the force in one of the bars by taking moments about a specific point.

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Participants express differing views on whether the problem is statically determinate or indeterminate, and there is no consensus on the best approach to solve the problem. Multiple competing perspectives on the methodology and calculations remain evident throughout the discussion.

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Participants highlight potential issues with the original poster's assumptions and calculations, including the placement of forces and the interpretation of static equilibrium conditions. There are also discussions about the correct formatting of units in technical writing.

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I've been trying to solve a structural mechanics problem from the book Mechanics of Materials, but the results I acquired weren't very satisfying.

Here it is

Homework Statement



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Homework Equations



Average Stress: \sigma= F/A

Torque: \vec{M}=\vec{r} x \vec{F}

Equations of static

The Attempt at a Solution



First of all, I defined a load applied at point B and direction DB, resulting from the application of equation of the average stress:

|\vec{F(B)}|=40 KN and \vec{F(B)}= -18.82 ex - 35.29 ey.

Now, let the reactions at points C and D be called Cx/Cy and Dx/Dy respectively, I first assumed the values of Dx and Dy were symetrical to those in F(B), so as to obey the equations of static.
From here I simply calculated the sum of every torque regarding to point C, in order to eliminate Cx and Cy. The equation is as follows

-18.82*0.45 + 0.135P+35.29*0.24=0, resulting in P=0, which is obviously false.

From here I thought I was mistaken about the values of Dx and Dy and decided to treat them as variables. Writing the equations of static, I got

Cx+Dx=18.82
Cy+Dy=P+35.29

And from the total Torque relative to point C,

-18.82*0.45 + 0.135*P+0.24*Dy=0

Obviously, the system is indeterminate, but it's impossible to get more linearly independente equations of static for the system, so I decided to analyse the free body diagram of the two bars separately.

For the bar BD, I calculated the total moment relative do point B, resulting in the equation
-0.45*Dx+0.24*Dy=0

For the bar AC, I calculated the total moment relative to point A:
-0.135*Cx+0.570*Cy=0

The system is now solvable, but it the result is still incorrect. My main question is, if there is any flaw in my logic, where is it? Acording to the solutions, the result is 62.7KN.
 
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I'll have to check the numbers later (or someone else can)..But although the problem is statically indeterminate, the fact that the force in BD must be axial, gives you the extra bit of info you need.

I would not suggest trying to break up the applied load P into components along rotated axes. Instead, apply it at point B with the appropriate moment (couple) also applied at that point, and solve. Free Body Diagrams and sketches are always very helpful.
 
It IS statically determinate. It is like a 3-hinged arch. Moments about C for the whole thing gives you DY in terms of P. Can you get it from there without more help?
 
notist said:
-18.82*0.45 + 0.135*P + 35.29*0.24 = 0
notist: Dx is not located at 0.45 m below point C. Try this summation again. And isn't your sign on Dy wrong here?

By the way, always leave a space between a numeric value and its following unit symbol. E.g., 62.7 kN, not 62.7kN. See the international standard for writing units[/color] (ISO 31-0[/color]). Also, always use correct capitalization of unit symbols. E.g., kN, not KN. KN means kelvin Newton; kN means kiloNewton. See NIST[/color] for the correct spelling of any unit symbol.
 
You are making it much too complicated. First chapter of my edition of that book gives an introduction to stress, so the strain of CB can be ignored and the setup can be considered completely static.

The moment around C from P give rise to a horizontal force at B which is balanced by the projected force through BD. Write up those equations and you get P = 62.7 kN.
 
Also, you could say that the perpendicular distance from C to BD is (by inspection, or drawing similar triangles) 450*240/510 Hence take moments about C and get Force in BD directly.
 

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