How Can We Calculate the Correlation Length L for Vortex Shedding?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the correlation length "L" for vortex shedding over a circular cylinder, particularly in the context of wind-induced forces as outlined in Eurocode. The inquiry seeks analytical or empirical methods to determine this parameter, which is crucial for understanding the effective correlation factor "Kw".

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  • Luís Fernando requests assistance in calculating the correlation length "L" and its relationship to the effective correlation factor "Kw".
  • RandomGuy88 asks for definitions of the variables involved in the calculations, indicating a lack of clarity on the terms used.
  • Luís Fernando provides definitions for the variables, including "b" (crosswind dimension), "Ymax" (maximum displacement due to vortex shedding), "St" (Strouhal number), "Sc" (Scruton number), "K" (mode shape factor), and "Kw" (effective correlation length factor).
  • There is a question about whether "L" represents the length over which turbulent velocity fluctuations are correlated, suggesting a need for clarification on this concept.

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Participants have not reached a consensus on how to calculate "L", and there remains uncertainty regarding the definitions and relationships of the variables involved.

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Participants have not fully defined the assumptions or dependencies related to the variables, and the discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps needed to calculate "L".

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Please Help!

In dealing with wind induced forces, caused by vortex shedding action over a circular cylinder, we must calculate the parameter "Kw" (effective correlation factor), which depends on "L/b", "L" beeing the "correlation lenght" (Eurocode).

Is there any method, analytical (or empirical), we could use, in order to calculate the parameter "L"?

I do thank you for any kind of help!

Best regards

Luís Fernando
guaiamum2010@gmail.com
 
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Could you define your variables?
 
Thank you, "RandomGuy88"!

According to Eurocode, the largest displacement "Ymáx/b", due to vortex shedding, can be calculated using expression:

Ymáx/b = 1/St^2 x 1/Sc x K x Kw x Clat

I can determinate all of them, except "Kw", which is a function of the so called "correlation lenght" ("L"), which, in turn, is a function of "Ymáx".

And that´s the problem! How can I calculate "L"?

Sorry, if I was too much problematic, and for my bad english!

Best Regards

Luís Fernando
guaiamum2010@gmail.com
 
I have no idea what any of your variables mean. What is b, what is Ymax, what is St, Sc, K...

Is L length over which turbulent velocity fluctuations are correlated? Or is something completely different?
 
Hi, RandomGuy88!

The meaning of those variables, is:

b - Crosswind dimension
Ymax - Maximum displacement due to vortex shedding
St - Strouhal number
Sc - Scruton number
K - Mode shape factor
L - Lenght over which vortex shedding occurs
Kw - Effective correlation length factor

(See Eurocode 1 - Action on Structures - Part 1-4 - General Actions - Wind Actions)

Best Regards

Luís
 

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