How can we predict the geometry of a coordination compound?

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The discussion revolves around predicting the geometry of coordination compounds, particularly focusing on transition metal complexes. Participants explore the limitations of traditional models like Lewis structures and VSEPR theory in this context, and consider the applicability of quantum theory as a more accurate framework.

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  • One participant notes that Lewis and VSEPR theories do not adequately predict the geometries of transition metal coordination compounds, citing specific examples like Pt2+ and NiCl4.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about the existence of a universal theory for predicting the structures of all coordination compounds.
  • A different participant proposes that relativistic quantum theory could serve as a comprehensive model for predicting geometries, suggesting that simpler models are merely approximations.
  • There is a mention of the importance of d-orbital energy levels and relativistic effects in determining the geometries of heavy metal complexes.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to predict the geometries of coordination compounds. There are competing views regarding the effectiveness of existing models and the potential of quantum theory.

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The discussion highlights limitations in current models, particularly in their applicability to transition metal complexes, and the need for more precise theories to account for relativistic effects.

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This isn't a homework question, and I've always wondered about this. My chemistry teacher told me to look up "coordinate chemistry" in a textbook, but the textbook did not have the answer.

How can we predict the geometry of a coordination compound?

I googled my question first, and I found that Lewis and VSEPR don't work for transition metal coordination compounds: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080405102937AAOh7Gd
"If your teacher thinks you can rationalize that using a Lewis structure and VSEPR principles, I'd like to see it. Pt2+ is 8 electrons, NH3 and Cl- each donate two to the bonds, that gives you 16e total around the Pt, 8 involved in bond pairs. So, that's what, AX4E4? You certainly can't use that to predict square planar, which is the observed structure. Neither can you explain why [PtCl4]2- is square planar but [NiCl4]2- is tetrahedral, even though they have the same number of valence electrons and (presumably) the same Lewis structure. Lewis and VSEPR don't work for TM compounds."

I guess does that mean we can somehow predict the geometries of non-transition metal coordination complexes?
 
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I am not sure if we do have a universal theory that can be used to predict structure of every coordination compound.
 
Sure we do, Borek - (relativistic) quantum theory. Every other model is just an approximation of that, anyway.

Which is the problem, really. Any simple model is at best an approximation, but the effects that govern transition-metal coordination (primarily the relative energy and splitting of d-orbital energy levels) are relatively small. Which doesn't mean that they're unpredictable. Just that you need a pretty exact model to do it. In the case of platinum and other heavy metals, you also have to take into account relativistic effects and the f-orbitals.
 
alxm said:
Sure we do, Borek - (relativistic) quantum theory.

Honestly - I was going to write something like that, but decided against :-p
 

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