How Can You Calculate the Length of a Ramp Based on Sliding Time and Friction?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the length of a ramp based on the sliding time of a concrete block and the coefficient of kinetic friction. The block slides down a ramp at a 37-degree angle, taking approximately 2 seconds to reach the ground. Participants emphasize the importance of correctly applying trigonometric functions and drawing free-body diagrams to analyze forces acting on the block. There are concerns about discrepancies in calculated velocities, suggesting potential errors in the application of sine and cosine functions. The conversation highlights the need for clarity in defining coordinate axes and accurately representing forces in the calculations.
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Homework Statement


You are passing a construction site on the way to physics class, and stop to watch for a while. The construction workers appear to be going on a coffee break, and have left a large concrete block resting at the top of a wooden ramp connecting one of the building's upper floors to the ground. As soon as their backs are turned, the block begins to slide and takes about 2 seconds to reach the ground. You wonder how long the ramp is. You estimate the ramp is at an angle of about 37* to the horizontal, and your physics book gives the coefficient of kinetic friction (uk) between concrete and wood as 0.25

Homework Equations


a= F/m
vf=vi+at
vf^2=vi^2+2ax

The Attempt at a Solution


I found that:
Fnety = Fn - Fgy = Fn - mgsin(37) = 0
Fn = mgsin(37)
Fnetx = Ff - Fgx = uk(mg)sin(37) - mgcos(37) = ma
a = uk(g)sin(37) - gcos(37)
a = .25(-9.8)sin(37) + 9.8cos(37)
a = 6.35 m/s^2

vf-vi = at
vf = 6.35(2)
vf = 12.7 m/s

vf^2 - vi^2 = 2ax
12.7^2 = 2(6.35)x
x = 12.7m

I don't understand how this is wrong?
 
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Did you draw a free-body diagram?
Check your trig relations - the angle is measured from the horizontal.
Don't forget to define the x and y directions as part of your working.
 
Simon Bridge said:
Did you draw a free-body diagram?
Check your trig relations - the angle is measured from the horizontal.
Don't forget to define the x and y directions as part of your working.

I did draw a free body diagram and I believe my trig relations are correct.
After further digging I found nearly the exact same question http://courseweb.stthomas.edu/physics/academics/111/Brita/Spring%202012/Unit%202/GP6%20P11%20S12.pdf but when I calculate the velocity with their numbers I still get the wrong velocity?
Edit: As in their paper says vf = 2.5 m/s but I get 80.36 when I plug those exact same numbers into my calculator. Did they do it wrong or am I messing up my calculation somewhere?
 
a= .25(-9.8)sin(37) + 9.8cos(37)
I think you have mixed up your sines and cosines. You need a large, clear diagram to work on, or you probably will get these wrong.

Is the correct answer around 7.5 roughly?
 
I did draw a free body diagram and I believe my trig relations are correct.
Looking at your FBD: if you have theta as the angle of the ramp to the horizontal, and you have defined the +y axis to be upwards and perpendicular to the ramp, then the normal force to the ramp is ##\vec N = \hat\jmath mg\cos\theta##. You may need to redraw your diagram to see this.
 
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