How Can You Find V1 and V2 in a Circuit Without Mesh Analysis?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the voltages V1 and V2 in a circuit without using mesh analysis. Participants explore alternative methods, particularly focusing on Kirchhoff's Current Law (KCL) and voltage division, while referencing concepts from introductory circuit theory.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using KCL at a node to find the voltage drop across a resistor, proposing that 10 mA flowing in and out can be used to determine the voltage across a 4 kΩ resistor.
  • Another participant challenges the initial voltage calculation, asserting that V1 should be 20 V instead of 40 V.
  • A different perspective describes the circuit configuration as two resistors in series with an equivalent resistance of 4 kΩ, which are in parallel with another set of resistors, leading to a conclusion about the voltage across the resistors.
  • One participant mentions that knowing V1 allows for the use of voltage division to find V2.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is disagreement regarding the correct value of V1, with some participants asserting it is 20 V while others initially calculated it as 40 V. The discussion remains unresolved as participants explore different methods without reaching a consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on assumptions about the circuit configuration and the application of KCL and voltage division, but there are unresolved details regarding the circuit's layout and the specific values of resistances involved.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students learning about circuit analysis techniques, particularly those interested in alternative methods to mesh analysis and the application of KCL and voltage division in electrical circuits.

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1. I made a quick sketch
http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/7629/testwv7.jpg
Find V1 and V2






3. Is there an easier way to do this question without applying mesh analysis, because this question was in my chapter 2 (intro to KVL/KCL), but i cannot think of a way to find this unless i use mesh analysis. Any advice
 
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Well assuming I'm doing it right of course, you wouldn't need any simultaneous equations or anything, that'd be over complicating it, just need KCL really

so at the node above the 20 and 5 k resistors(or the equivalent 4k resistor!)you have 10 milliamps flowing in, and you need 10 mA flowing out, obtained with a voltage drop across that 4 k of just V=IR=10*4=40 Volts

You can check to see that puts 8 mA across the 5 k resistor and 2 across the 20 k, for a total of 10 mA
 
the answer for v1 = 20 V

not 40 V

so hmmmmmmmm
 
ok, so what you basically have are two resistors in series, and those two resistors(with eq. resistance of 4k) are in parallel with the other two resistors which I mentioned have an equiv. resistance of 4k as well

Since they're in parallel the current splits down both paths and equal amounts both ways since the resistances are ultimately equal, sooo it's actually V=I*R=5*4=20Volts
 
If you know V1, then all you need to do is "voltage-divide" to find V2.
 

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