How can you see raindrops if water is transparent?

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The discussion centers on the visibility of raindrops despite water's transparency, exploring concepts related to light refraction, reflection, and the conditions under which transparent objects become visible in a transparent medium. The conversation includes theoretical explanations and personal anecdotes related to demonstrations of these principles.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the visibility of raindrops is due to differing indexes of refraction between water and air, which causes light to bend differently.
  • It is noted that the boundary between materials with different refractive indexes reflects light, contributing to visibility.
  • One participant mentions that diamond is nearly invisible in water due to its similar refractive index, although another participant disputes this claim, providing specific refractive index values for water and diamond.
  • A participant shares a personal experience of a demonstration involving glass in glycerin, highlighting how similar refractive indices can render objects invisible.
  • Another participant recalls a chemistry demonstration involving a flammable liquid and water, illustrating a different aspect of visibility and interaction of materials.

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Participants express differing views on the refractive indices of materials, particularly regarding diamond and its visibility in water. There is no consensus on the exact nature of transparency and visibility in this context, as some claims are challenged and refined throughout the discussion.

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Discrepancies in refractive index values are noted, and the discussion includes personal anecdotes that may not directly relate to the scientific principles being debated. The definitions of transparency and visibility remain somewhat ambiguous and are not fully resolved.

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How can you see raindrops if water is transparent?
 
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For the same reason you can see air bubbles in water. These materials have different indexes of refraction, which means they bend light by different amounts, simplistically speaking. Another effect of two materials with differing refractive indexes in contact is that the boundary between them tends to reflect light. Both of these effects combine to make a transparent object in a transparent medium visible.

Note that diamond, which has a refractive index nearly identical to water is almost completely invisible when immersed in that liquid.
 


negitron said:
For the same reason you can see air bubbles in water. These materials have different indexes of refraction, which means they bend light by different amounts, simplistically speaking. Another effect of two materials with differing refractive indexes in contact is that the boundary between them tends to reflect light. Both of these effects combine to make a transparent object in a transparent medium visible.

Note that diamond, which has a refractive index nearly identical to water is almost completely invisible when immersed in that liquid.

Ok thanks. I guess that makes sense.
 


what exactly makes something transparent?
 


negitron said:
Note that diamond, which has a refractive index nearly identical to water is almost completely invisible when immersed in that liquid.


Diamond's index of refraction is not even close to that of water.
n_water=1.33
n_diamond=2.54

Glass is a little closer (n_glass=1.5) but still quite different.
 


My high school physics teacher did a good trick. I think it was glass in glycerin (or something). Very similar indices of refraction. You couldn't see any part of a test tube that he had immersed in a beaker full of the stuff. He teased us that it was "molten glass" (i.e. that he had actually melted the test tube).
 


cepheid said:
My high school physics teacher did a good trick. I think it was glass in glycerin (or something). Very similar indices of refraction. You couldn't see any part of a test tube that he had immersed in a beaker full of the stuff. He teased us that it was "molten glass" (i.e. that he had actually melted the test tube).

Reminds me of the "fire water" demo my chemistry teacher did. He put some sort of light flammable liquid into a beaker of water and lit it, producing a nice flame on the surface. When we were leaving the class a friend of mine decided to do the teacher a favor and put out the fire, he poured water into the beaker until it overflowed. I'm not sure what he was thinking but seeing a river of fire flow out of a beaker and spread across the tabletop was a nice ending touch to the demo.
 

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