How determine aspheric lens beam angle?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the beam angle of light emitted from an aspheric lens when used with a LED light source in a DIY projector setup. Participants explore the relationship between the distance of the light source from the lens and the resulting beam angle, considering the effects of the lens's focal length and the characteristics of the LED.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that placing the LED light source at the focal length of the aspheric lens should result in collimated light, while decreasing the distance would increase the beam angle.
  • Another participant inquires about the formula to calculate the beam angle based on the distance of the light source from the lens, questioning if the same formula applies to a simple convex lens.
  • A participant notes that LEDs have a finite size, which limits the ability to collimate the beam below a certain angular spread, implying that the light will diverge even when positioned at the focal point.
  • One participant acknowledges the finite nature of the LED and suggests using the thin lens equation for rough approximations, while seeking clarification on its applicability to aspheric lenses.
  • Another participant expresses interest in using the magnification value to predict the projected light height at a given distance, questioning if it could indicate a rate of divergence.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the effects of LED size on beam collimation and the applicability of lens equations. There is no consensus on a specific formula for calculating the beam angle, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to predict the projected light characteristics.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the thin lens equation and magnification concepts, but there are limitations in their applicability due to the non-point nature of the LED light source and the specific requirements of the projection setup.

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Hi,

I'm using an aspheric lens with a LED light source for a DIY projector.

As I understand it, if I place the led light source at the focal length of the aspheric lens, the light should be collimated(parallel) coming out the other side. As I decrease the distance between the led and the lens, the light coming out should have an increasingly wide beam angle, correct?

Since most LED sources have a rough beam angle of 120 degrees, I want to place the lens as close as possible, but I need to make sure that the beam angle projects the light uniformly onto the fresnel lens, and take into account also the fresnel lens fl as well.

Does anyone know what formula I can use to calculate beam angle, given the light source distance from the lens?

It seems that the focal length and the led distance should be enough to calculate this?

Thanks in advance for any help!
 
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Hi,

Can anyone help me on this?

Stated very simply, if I have an aspheric lens for which I know the focal length, and I place a point light source at a given distance from the lens, how can I calculate the resulting beam angle coming out of the lens?

Perhaps the formula would be the same for a simple convex lens? That's what I'm not sure of, any help appreciated:-)
 
LEDs have a finite size- you cannot collimate the beam below a certain angular spread. Otherwise, you can use the usual lens formulas.
 
Hi Andy,

Thanks for your response. I do understand that because the LED isn't a point light, even if I place the light source at the focal point, it will slowly diverge; is this what you're talking about by saying it's finite?

So it sounds like I can use the thin lens equation (1/f = 1/o + 1/i) for an aspheric lens to get a rough approximation. Please correct me if I'm wrong!
 
spiffly said:
Hi Andy,

Thanks for your response. I do understand that because the LED isn't a point light, even if I place the light source at the focal point, it will slowly diverge; is this what you're talking about by saying it's finite?

So it sounds like I can use the thin lens equation (1/f = 1/o + 1/i) for an aspheric lens to get a rough approximation.

Yes, and yes.
 
the thin lens equation will allow me to solve for f, or distance to object or image, and for the magnification equation, I can solve for magnification, and object or image height.

In my case I have the light source closer to the lens than the focal point, so these equations just give me dimensions and location of the virtual image, which as near as I can tell is not what I need. I'm simply interested in the height of the projected light at a given distance coming out of the aspheric lens.

Is there a way to use the magnification value to predict the projected light height at a given distance? It seems like it could be used as a rate of divergence?
 

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