How did Coulomb charge his spheres to verify Coulomb's law?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the experimental verification of Coulomb's Law, specifically focusing on how to charge spheres using static electricity and maintain consistent charge levels throughout the experiment. Participants explore the implications of varying charge amounts and the challenges of measuring forces accurately.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the necessity of having the same charge each time, suggesting that measuring the charge at different distances should still reveal inverse r² dependence.
  • Another participant expresses concern about the difficulty of ensuring a constant charge on a metallic sphere and advocates for using a stable DC voltage source to avoid this issue.
  • A suggestion is made to utilize multiple voltage detectors at various distances to gather simultaneous readings for correlation.
  • There is a request for clarification on how to measure charge without modern instruments, highlighting the experimental constraints faced by participants.
  • One participant reiterates the challenge of maintaining a constant charge and discusses the relationship between electrostatics and Coulomb's Law, noting potential circular reasoning in the argument.
  • A method is proposed to reset the distance and check if the force remains consistent over time, which could indicate that the charge has not changed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of maintaining a constant charge and the best methods for measuring forces and charges. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on how to approach the experiment.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in their experimental setup, including the difficulty of ensuring constant charge and the lack of modern measuring instruments. There are also unresolved questions regarding the implications of using electrostatic principles in the context of Coulomb's Law.

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We are doing an experiment to verify coulomb's law, and we are currently using a stable voltage source. However, we were assigned to do it using static electricity, and we were wondering how to establish inverse r^2 dependence if the amount of the charge on the ball isn't the same every time we do the experiment. When we knew the charge was the same every time (assuming same voltage begets same charge), we were able to cancel the q1q2 term and be left with only 1/ r^2 dependence.
This is apart from the issue that we aren't actually able to create the forces required to measure significant deflection.
Any help would be much appreciate.
 
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Do you really need the charge to be the same each time? If you measure the charge at different distances away from the ball, you should detect inverse r^2 dependence irrespective of what the charge is at the ball itself.
 
But that can be very tricky. By just charging a (usually metallic) sphere, you can never be sure whether this charge is kept constant during the whole time. To keep it on constant DC voltage relative to a given point, circumvents this problem, and everything is still static. So why would you like to change this setup?

That it's always the same charge in this case, follows from the electrostatic Maxwell equations. However, you might argue that this is a circular argument, because electrostatics, i.e.,
$$\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{E}=\rho, \quad \vec{\nabla} \times \vec{E}=0,$$
is more or less equivalent to Coulomb's Law, which is nothing else than the Green's function of the Laplace operator...
 
You could use multiple voltage detectors at various distances that way you just read all the detectors at the same time and correlate the readings.
 
Well, how would we measure the charge? Basically the task is to perform the experiment and verify Coulomb's Law without the aid of modern voltage supplies or measuring instruments.
@litup : could you elaborate a little more?
 
vanhees71 said:
But that can be very tricky. By just charging a (usually metallic) sphere, you can never be sure whether this charge is kept constant during the whole time. To keep it on constant DC voltage relative to a given point, circumvents this problem, and everything is still static. So why would you like to change this setup?

That it's always the same charge in this case, follows from the electrostatic Maxwell equations. However, you might argue that this is a circular argument, because electrostatics, i.e.,
$$\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{E}=\rho, \quad \vec{\nabla} \times \vec{E}=0,$$
is more or less equivalent to Coulomb's Law, which is nothing else than the Green's function of the Laplace operator...

You can just reset the distance and check that the force is still the same. If you started at some r_0 at t=0 then resetting the apparatus to r_0 at some later time t, and finding the measurements to be equal, will reassure one that the charge has remained constant.
 

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