How Do Dimensions of Kernel Relate in Composite Linear Operators?

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The discussion revolves around proving a relationship between the dimensions of the kernels of two linear operators, T1 and T2, and their composition. Participants are exploring the properties of kernels in the context of linear algebra.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants are attempting to show that the kernel of the composition of two operators is related to the kernels of the individual operators. Questions arise about the implications of elements in the kernel of the composition and how they relate to the kernels of the individual operators.

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Some participants have offered insights into the relationships between the kernels and the implications of the definitions involved. There is an exploration of different notations and theorems related to the dimensions of images and kernels, but no consensus has been reached on the proof itself.

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Participants are navigating through potential misunderstandings regarding the properties of kernels and their dimensions, with some suggesting that certain assumptions may not hold. The discussion reflects a mix of attempts to clarify definitions and explore theorems relevant to the problem.

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I need to prove that if T1 and T2 are linear operators, then
dim(kerT1)+dim(KerT2)>=dim(Ker(T1oT2)).

now, i thought to show that Ker(T1oT2) is a subset of ker(T1), and then it obviously follows, but here I am stuck: if u in ker(T1oT2) then T1(T2(u))=0 so T2(u) is in Ker(T1) but i need to show that u is in kerT1, if it's correct.

any hints.
 
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Can I change it to S and T, rather than T1 and T2, which, let's face it, is a very bad notation.

ker(ST) is certainly not a subset (or even subspace) of ker(S). There is no reason to suppose that T maps ker(S) into ker(S), which is what you are trying (and therefore failing) to show.

u is in ker(ST) if either T(u)=0, or T(u) lies in ker(S). Of course T(u)=0 implies that T(u) is in ker(S), thus all you need to do is to work out the dimension of the preimage of ker(S) under T.

The pre-image of any subspace V under a map T is a subspace of the form U+ker(T), with the sum not necessarily direct, and T mapping U isomorphically to V. (This is just the isomorphism theorems in action.) This completely solves your problem, and was just writing out the definitions.
 
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loop quantum gravity said:
I need to prove that if T1 and T2 are linear operators, then
dim(kerT1)+dim(KerT2)>=dim(Ker(T1oT2)).

now, i thought to show that Ker(T1oT2) is a subset of ker(T1), ...
any hints.

You have things reversed.
[tex]\mathop{ker}(T_2) \subseteq \mathop{ker}(T_1\circ T_2)[/tex]

But that won't prove your inequality either but it is one step. Also consider the space
[tex]\mathbf{N}= \mathop{ker}(T_1\circ T_2) - \mathop{ker}(T_2)[/tex]
and its image:
[tex]\mathbf{N}'= T_2(\mathbf{N})[/tex]
 
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so you mean i need to find the dimension of T^-1(kerS), right?
 
ah, ok i see it's only an application of dim(ImT)+dim(KerT)=dimV.
 
loop quantum gravity said:
ah, ok i see it's only an application of dim(ImT)+dim(KerT)=dimV.

There you go.
 

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