How do I calculate the forces in a Truss?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the forces in a truss, focusing on identifying which members are in compression or tension. Participants share their attempts at solving a homework problem related to statics, including their calculations and methods used.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in determining which parts of the truss are in compression or tension and seeks confirmation on their approach.
  • Another participant suggests that guessing the nature of forces is acceptable, noting that if a calculated force is negative, the initial guess was incorrect.
  • A participant who has not taken a statics course acknowledges mistakes and attempts to use the method of summing forces in both x and y directions, still feeling confused about identifying compression or tension.
  • Several participants emphasize the importance of typing out algebraic equations instead of posting images for clarity and ease of discussion.
  • Specific calculations for various joints (A, B, E) are presented, including equations for force equilibrium, but the interpretation of whether members are in compression or tension remains unclear for some participants.
  • There is a repeated inquiry about how to determine if a bar is under compression or tension, with one participant suggesting that calculations are necessary for this determination.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the methods for calculating forces but disagree on the clarity of identifying compression versus tension, with no consensus reached on the best approach to determine the nature of the forces.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express confusion regarding the signs in their equations and the interpretation of results, indicating potential limitations in their understanding of statics principles.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


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I have spent the last 2 hours trying to figure out which part of the truss is compression or tension. Hopefully the second screenshot I took is correct. I tried figuring out the first few parts, just want to make sure that at least I am on the right track.

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tandennis0703 said:
trying to figure out which part of the truss is compression or tension.
Although it is usually easy to figure out in simple cases, it can be quite tricky. Fortunately, you rarely need to. Just make a stab at it in each case and write the equations accordingly. If the answer comes out negative then you guessed wrong, but so what? You still have the answer.

In fact, in the annotated diagram you put under "relevant equations" you seem to have guessed most wrongly.
And that is not what the "relevant equations" section is for. It's for standard equations that can be applied to a whole class of questions.

In the image of your working, how do you get Cx+Dx=0?
(Please do not post images of your algebra. Take the trouble to type it in. That makes it easier to read and easier to comment on. Images should be for diagrams and textbook extracts.)
 
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Sorry for the mistakes. I never took statics in my course. I redid everything and used the method of summing the resultant forces in both the x and y direction. I am still a bit confused as to how to figure out whether or not it is a compression/ tension force. Hopefully my calculations are correct.
 
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tandennis0703 said:
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Sorry for the mistakes. I never took statics in my course. I redid everything and used the method of summing the resultant forces in both the x and y direction. I am still a bit confused as to how to figure out whether or not it is a compression/ tension force. Hopefully my calculations are correct.
I did ask you to type in your algebra. I am having trouble reading some of the image, and if I want to comment on an equation I have no easy way to refer to it.
Check the signs in your equations for point B.
 
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haruspex said:
I did ask you to type in your algebra. I am having trouble reading some of the image, and if I want to comment on an equation I have no easy way to refer to it.
Check the signs in your equations for point B.

Joint A:

+^ΣFy=0 ; -2P+(2/3.61)FAB=0
FAB=3.61P

>+ ΣFx=0; -FAE+(3/3.61)(3.61)P=0
FAE=3P

Joint E:


+^ΣFy=0; FEB-P=0
FEB=P

>+ ΣFx=0; 3P - FED=0
FED=3P

Joint B:

+^ΣFy=0; (2/3.61)FBD-P-(2/3.61)(3.61)(P)=0
(2/3.61)FBD=3P
FBD=5.415P

>+ΣFx=0; FBC -(5.415)(3/3.61)(P)-(3.61)(P)(3/3.61)=0
FBC=7.5P

Hence:

stress BC= 7.5P/340 = 250

P=11333N
 
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tandennis0703 said:
Joint B:

+^ΣFy=0; (2/3.61)FBD-P-(2/3.61)(3.61)(P)=0
According to what you calculated at joint A, is AB under compression or
tandennis0703 said:
Joint A:

+^ΣFy=0 ; -2P+(2/3.61)FAB=0
FAB=3.61P

>+ ΣFx=0; -FAE+(3/3.61)(3.61)P=0
FAE=3P

Joint E:


+^ΣFy=0; FEB-P=0
FEB=P

>+ ΣFx=0; 3P - FED=0
FED=3P

Joint B:

+^ΣFy=0; (2/3.61)FBD-P-(2/3.61)(3.61)(P)=0
(2/3.61)FBD=3P
FBD=5.415P

>+ΣFx=0; FBC -(5.415)(3/3.61)(P)-(3.61)(P)(3/3.61)=0
FBC=7.5P

Hence:

stress BC= 7.5P/340 = 250

P=11333N
Now I can read it, it all looks right.
 
haruspex said:
According to what you calculated at joint A, is AB under compression or

Now I can read it, it all looks right.

Thanks for the reply. However I am still a bit confused as to how I know whether or not a bar is undergoing compression or tension. Do I need my calculations in order to figure that out?
 
tandennis0703 said:
Thanks for the reply. However I am still a bit confused as to how I know whether or not a bar is undergoing compression or tension. Do I need my calculations in order to figure that out?
In general, yes. As I posted, it is not always possible to figure it out by simple inspection.
 

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