How do I derive the step on the formula of distance of source to field point.

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The discussion focuses on deriving the distance between a source and a field point using position vectors. It begins with the formula for distance, highlighting the relationship between the vectors and the angle between them. For the case where the source distance is much smaller than the field point distance, participants explore how to simplify the square root expression using Taylor expansion and the binomial theorem. The conversation emphasizes the approximation methods for handling small terms in the equation, particularly in the context of multipole expansions in electrostatics. Overall, the thread provides insights into mathematical techniques for simplifying complex expressions in physics.
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Let \;\vec r\;'\; be position vector pointing to the source. \;\vec r\; be the position vector pointing to a field point. Therefore the distance from the source and field point is:

\vec {\eta} =\vec r -\vec r\;' \;\hbox { and }\; \eta = \sqrt{r^2+r'^2 - 2rr'cos\theta}= r \sqrt{1+\left (\frac{r'}{r}\right )^2 -2\frac{r'}{r} cos \theta}

Where \;\theta\; is the angle between the two vector.

For r'<<r, Why is the book than say

\vec {\eta} =\vec r -\vec r\;&#039; \;\hbox { and }\; \eta = \sqrt{r^2+r&#039;^2 - 2rr&#039;cos\theta}= r \sqrt{1+\left (\frac{r&#039;}{r}\right )^2 -2\frac{r&#039;}{r} cos \theta} = r \left (1-\frac {r&#039;}{r} cos \theta\right )

I know for r'<<r, \left ( \frac {r&#039;}{r}\right )^2\approx \;0. But how can you remove the square root.
 
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To first order, for |x|<1:
\sqrt{1+x}=1+\frac{x}{2}+O[x^2]so basically the squared term you have under the radical it too small to bother with.

You can derive this from expanding (1+x)1/2 with a Taylor expansion about x=0, or just use the binomial theorem.
 
Thanks for the response, can you show me how to derive this?

Alan
 
The Taylor series for the square root reads

\sqrt{1+x}=1+x/2+O(x^2)

Thus to order r&#039;/r you immediately obtain the approximation given by your book. That's one way to obtain the multipole expansion of the electrostatic field in terms of its sources. It's not a very clever way, but it works.:wink:
 
yungman said:
Thanks for the response, can you show me how to derive this?

d/dx(\sqrt{1+x})=\frac{1}{2}\frac{1}{\sqrt{1+x}}
so evaluted at x=0 gives 1/2.

So the Taylor expansion is f(x)=1+x/2 since f(0)=sqrt(1+0)=1, and f(x)~f(0)+f'(0)x+...
 
vanhees71 said:
That's one way to obtain the multipole expansion of the electrostatic field in terms of its sources. It's not a very clever way, but it works.:wink:

That's the only way I can think of! I think I can get the second order terms but higher terms would be tedious because of that squared term in the radical, but a computer could probably get the higher order terms without trouble.
 
I thought Bi-Nomial is:

\frac 1 {\sqrt {1+\epsilon}}\approx (1-\frac 1 2 \epsilon + \frac 3 8 \epsilon^2 -\frac 5 {16} \epsilon^3...)\;\hbox { for }\;\epsilon \;\hbox { &lt;&lt;1. }

How can you show me how to does the other work?
 
Thanks for all your help. I have to go back and read up infinite/Taylor series to refresh my memory.
 
yungman said:
I thought Bi-Nomial is:

\frac 1 {\sqrt {1+\epsilon}}\approx (1-\frac 1 2 \epsilon + \frac 3 8 \epsilon^2 -\frac 5 {16} \epsilon^3...)\;\hbox { for }\;\epsilon \;\hbox { &lt;&lt;1. }

How can you show me how to does the other work?

Here is the Wikipedia article on the binomial theorem for arbitrary exponents:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binomial_theorem#Newton.27s_generalized_binomial_theorem

Just use formula (2) and substitute x=1, and you have an expansion for (1+y)^n. So formula (2) gives you the first four terms of a binomial expansion.
 
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Thanks for all the help.

Alan
 
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I am glad I run across this. I studied infinite/taylor series so long ago, I forgot they are like fourier, bessels etc. that you can approx a function with the power series.

Thanks

Alan
 
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