How do I find the derivative of x^x using the difference quotient?

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The problem involves finding the derivative of the function x^x using the difference quotient method. Participants are exploring the complexities of applying this method to a function that is not straightforward to differentiate using standard techniques.

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  • Some participants discuss the definition of the difference quotient and express skepticism about its applicability to the function x^x. Others attempt to manipulate the expression using logarithmic properties and limits.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing various approaches and questioning the feasibility of using the difference quotient for this particular function. There are multiple interpretations of the assignment, and some participants provide alternative methods without reaching a consensus.

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There is mention of imposed homework rules requiring the use of the difference quotient, which some participants find challenging or unreasonable given the nature of the function x^x.

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Homework Statement



I am required to find the derivative of x^x using the difference quotient

Homework Equations



((x+h)^(x+h)-(x^x))/h

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TI-89 gives (lnx+1)x^x I can't figure out how to get there
 
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Without the derivative definition, ln both sides, so:

[tex]y=x^x[/tex]
[tex]ln(y)=xln(x)[/tex]
[tex]\frac{1}{y}.\frac{dy}{dx} = 1.ln(x) + x.\frac{1}{x}[/tex]
[tex]\frac{dy}{dx} = y[ln(x) + 1][/tex]
[tex]\frac{dy}{dx} = x^x(ln(x) + 1)[/tex]
 
I can't imagine there being any reasonable way to use the "difference quotient" to determine the derivative of xx. You must have a really evil teacher!
 
HallsofIvy said:
I can't imagine there being any reasonable way to use the "difference quotient" to determine the derivative of xx. You must have a really evil teacher!

Either this is unreasonable, or your imagination really needs to see more:

[tex]x^x =e^{x\ln x}[/tex]

[tex]\lim_{h\rightarrow 0} \frac{(x+h)^{(x+h)}-x^x}{h} =\lim_{h\rightarrow 0} \frac{e^{(x+h)\ln(x+h)}-e^{x\ln x}}{h}=\lim_{h\rightarrow 0}\frac{e^{(x+h)\ln\left(x\left(1+\frac{h}{x}\right)\right)}-e^{x\ln x}}{h}[/tex]

[tex]=\lim_{h\rightarrow 0} \frac{e^{x\ln x}e^{h\ln x}e^{x\ln\left(1+\frac{h}{x}\right)}e^{h\ln\left(1+\frac{h}{x}\right)}-e^{x\ln x}}{h}[/tex]

[tex]=x^{x}\lim_{h\rightarrow 0}\frac{e^{h\ln x}e^{x\ln\left(1+\frac{h}{x}\right)}e^{h\ln\left(1+\frac{h}{x}\right)}-1}{h}\cdot \frac{h\ln x+x\ln\left(1+\frac{h}{x}\right)+h\ln\left(1+\frac{h}{x}\right)}{h\ln x+x\ln\left(1+\frac{h}{x}\right)+h\ln\left(1+\frac{h}{x}\right)}[/tex]

[tex]=x^{x}\left[\ln x+x\lim_{h\rightarrow 0}\frac{\ln\left(1+\frac{h}{x}\right)}{h}+\lim_{h\rightarrow 0}\ln\left(1+\frac{h}{x}\right)\right][/tex]

[tex]=x^x \left\{\ln x+x\ln \lim_{h\rightarrow 0}\left[\left(1+\frac{h}{x}\right)^{\frac{x}{h}}\right]^{\frac{1}{x}}\right\}[/tex]

[tex]=x^x \left(\ln x +1\right)[/tex]
 
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wow .
 
dextercioby said:
Either this is unreasonable, or your imagination really needs to see more:

[tex]x^x =e^{x\ln x}[/tex]

[tex]\lim_{h\rightarrow 0} \frac{(x+h)^{(x+h)}-x^x}{h} =\lim_{h\rightarrow 0} \frac{e^{(x+h)\ln(x+h)}-e^{x\ln x}}{h}=\lim_{h\rightarrow 0}\frac{e^{(x+h)\ln\left(x\left(1+\frac{h}{x}\right)\right)}-e^{x\ln x}}{h}[/tex]

[tex]=\lim_{h\rightarrow 0} \frac{e^{x\ln x}e^{h\ln x}e^{x\ln\left(1+\frac{h}{x}\right)}e^{h\ln\left(1+\frac{h}{x}\right)}-e^{x\ln x}}{h}[/tex]

[tex]=x^{x}\lim_{h\rightarrow 0}\frac{e^{h\ln x}e^{x\ln\left(1+\frac{h}{x}\right)}e^{h\ln\left(1+\frac{h}{x}\right)}-1}{h}\cdot \frac{h\ln x+x\ln\left(1+\frac{h}{x}\right)+h\ln\left(1+\frac{h}{x}\right)}{h\ln x+x\ln\left(1+\frac{h}{x}\right)+h\ln\left(1+\frac{h}{x}\right)}[/tex]

[tex]=x^{x}\left[\ln x+x\lim_{h\rightarrow 0}\frac{\ln\left(1+\frac{h}{x}\right)}{h}+\lim_{h\rightarrow 0}\ln\left(1+\frac{h}{x}\right)\right][/tex]

[tex]=x^x \left\{\ln x+x\ln \lim_{h\rightarrow 0}\left[\left(1+\frac{h}{x}\right)^{\frac{x}{h}}\right]^{\frac{1}{x}}\right\}[/tex]

[tex]=x^x \left(\ln x +1\right)[/tex]

Whoa. :bugeye:
Or somewhat easier. That's a little bit messy methinks: o:)
[tex](x ^ x)' = (e ^ {x \ln (x)})' = \lim_{h \rightarrow 0} \frac{e ^ {(x + h) \ln (x + h)} - e ^ {x \ln (x)}}{h}[/tex]

[tex]= \lim_{h \rightarrow 0} \left( \frac{e ^ {(x + h) \ln (x + h)} - e ^ {x \ln (x)}}{(x + h) \ln (x + h) - x \ln x} \times \frac{(x + h) \ln (x + h) - x \ln x}{h} \right)[/tex]

[tex]= e ^ {x \ln (x)} \left( \lim_{h \rightarrow 0} \frac{x \ln (1 + \frac{h}{x}) + h \ln (x + h)}{h} \right)[/tex] [due to: (eu)'u = eu]

[tex]= x ^ x \left\{ \lim_{h \rightarrow 0} \left[ x \ln \left( \left( 1 + \frac{h}{x} \right) ^ {\frac{x}{h}} \right) ^ {\frac{1}{x}} \right] + \ln (x) \right\}[/tex]

[tex]= x ^ x (1 + \ln (x))[/tex]
 
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Since the original equation is x^x and never a division quotient, one can not apply that rule. Here is the alternative proof.
 

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Raiey said:
Since the original equation is x^x and never a division quotient, one can not apply that rule.

"Difference quotient" means this:
[tex] \frac{f(x)-f(a)}{x-a}[/tex]
so the assignment was to use the definition of derivative that involves this.
 
An answer is attached in PDF
 

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