How do I modify plane waves to represent the EM field of a lightbulb?

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The discussion revolves around modifying plane wave equations to represent the electromagnetic field of a lightbulb. Participants are exploring the implications of a problem statement that specifies a dependence on the x-direction, particularly in the context of electric and magnetic fields.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to understand the relationship between irradiance and electric field amplitude, questioning how these relate to distance from the light source. There is also discussion about whether to treat the waves as spherical or plane waves and how to modify standard wave equations accordingly.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the assumptions regarding the direction of propagation and the relationship between electric and magnetic field magnitudes. There is ongoing exploration of how to adapt wave equations to fit the problem's requirements, with no explicit consensus reached on the approach.

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Participants are considering the constraints of the problem, including the assumption of a lightbulb's efficiency and the need to modify equations to reflect the behavior of waves in a single direction rather than in three-dimensional space.

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Homework Statement
Part c
Relevant Equations
B=Bocos(k•r±⍵t)
E=Eocos(k•r±⍵t)
Irradiance=P/A
I don't know where to start for part (c), I've managed to get (a) and (b).
Can someone simply guide me, I think I'm having trouble understanding what the teacher means by just having an x dependance...
Does this mean I only work with the x components of the magnetic field and the electric field? What about the direction fo propagation?
 

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e101101 said:
Homework Statement: Part c
Homework Equations: B=Bocos(k•r±⍵t)
E=Eocos(k•r±⍵t)
Irradiance=P/A

I don't know where to start for part (c), I've managed to get (a) and (b).
What is the relationship between irradiance*, I, and the electric field amplitude (by that I mean the electric field amplitude is the E_0 in your E = E_0 \cos(kr \pm \omega t) equation [Note: that equation, as it stands, doesn't apply to this problem. You'll have to modify it a little to apply to this problem])?

In this problem, the irradiance is a function of distance from the light source. What is the relationship between irradiance and distance, in this problem?

Now, based on the above, what is the relationship between the electric field amplitude and distance from the light source?

*(here I'm assuming that "irradiance" is synonymous with "intensity.")

Can someone simply guide me, I think I'm having trouble understanding what the teacher means by just having an x dependance...
Does this mean I only work with the x components of the magnetic field and the electric field? What about the direction fo propagation?
I'm pretty sure it just means that you don't need to worry about forming equations in 3-dimensions for all space. Just concentrate on a single direction (specifically, that direction being the x-axis).

The direction of propagation is the x-axis. So all you need to do is determine E and B as measured along the x-axis.
 
Also, I don't think the problem is asking for the actual directions of the electric and magnetic field vectors. It's assumed that \vec E and \vec B are perpendicular to each other, and both are perpendicular to the direction of wave propagation.

Rather, I think the problem is just asking you to find the magnitudes of E and B, as a function of distance from the light source.
 
collinsmark said:
What is the relationship between irradiance*, I, and the electric field amplitude (by that I mean the electric field amplitude is the E_0 in your E = E_0 \cos(kr \pm \omega t) equation [Note: that equation, as it stands, doesn't apply to this problem. You'll have to modify it a little to apply to this problem])?

In this problem, the irradiance is a function of distance from the light source. What is the relationship between irradiance and distance, in this problem?

Now, based on the above, what is the relationship between the electric field amplitude and distance from the light source?

*(here I'm assuming that "irradiance" is synonymous with "intensity.")I'm pretty sure it just means that you don't need to worry about forming equations in 3-dimensions for all space. Just concentrate on a single direction (specifically, that direction being the x-axis).

The direction of propagation is the x-axis. So all you need to do is determine E and B as measured along the x-axis.

Thank you so much for your reply!
Would I have to consider spherical waves in this problem? Or can I simply treat them as plane waves moving in the x direction (because of the conditions given in the problem).

If I can treat it as a planar wave i would write an equation like:
Ex=Eo(kx±⍵t)

The relationship between irradiance and the amplitudes would be: (1/μ0)(BoEo)
and since Bo=Eo/c
we can rewrite as (1/μ0)(Eo**2)/c
 
e101101 said:
Thank you so much for your reply!
Would I have to consider spherical waves in this problem? Or can I simply treat them as plane waves moving in the x direction (because of the conditions given in the problem).

If I can treat it as a planar wave i would write an equation like:
Ex=Eo(kx±⍵t)

The relationship between irradiance and the amplitudes would be: (1/μ0)(BoEo)
and since Bo=Eo/c
we can rewrite as (1/μ0)(Eo**2)/c
Your final answers will be something sort of like plane waves, but not exactly like plane waves. In other words, modify your

E = E_0 \cos (kr \pm \omega t)
B = B_0 \cos (kr \pm \omega t)

equations such that the (a) amplitude falls off appropriately as a function of distance and (b) instead of using the constants E_0 and B_0 use some other expressions that relate to a 80 W light bulb at 50% efficiency.
 

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