How to determine the direction of the E-field of an EM wave

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the direction of the electric field amplitude in an electromagnetic wave, particularly at the boundary between water and air. The original poster describes a scenario involving a wave vector, magnetic field components, and the relationship between the electric and magnetic fields in the context of wave propagation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between the electric field, magnetic field, and wave vector using cross product definitions. There are questions regarding the correct order of the cross product and its implications for the direction of the electric field.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering geometric interpretations and questioning the application of the right-hand rule. Some guidance has been provided regarding the need for a visual representation to clarify the relationships between the vectors involved.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of confusion regarding the direction of the resulting vector from the cross product, as well as the need for a drawing to aid in understanding the vector orientations. The original poster also notes a challenge in sharing visual aids to support their explanation.

Luk

Homework Statement


Consider a wave vector which hits a plain boundary between water and air. The wave vector hits the boundary with an angle α1 measured from the vertical axis. The magnetic field amplitude has a y-component only. Also, notice: The z-axis is the horizontal axis, the x-axis is the vertical axis and the y-axis is the axis that goes into the paper. The question is, in what direction does the electrical field amplitude point?
The wave vector has components $$ \vec{k} = \begin{array}{c}\sin(\alpha_1)\\0\\-\cos(\alpha_1)\end{array} $$

Homework Equations


Well I know that the magnetic and the electrical field are both perpendicular to each other and to the wave vector. I also know that $$\vec{H} = 1/\eta * \vec{e_k} \times \vec{E} $$

The Attempt at a Solution


I was thinking that, maybe, this equation holds: $$ \vec{E} = \eta * \vec{e_k} \times \vec{H} $$
But I'm not sure about the correct order within the cross product. So it could also be this: $$ \vec{E} = \eta * \vec{H} \times \vec{e_k} $$
I simply don't know.
 
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The order of the cross product is such that ##\vec{E}\times\vec{H}## points in the direction of ##\hat{e}_k##.
 
right. Well since H points in the positive y-direction, is the cross product then $$ \begin{array}{c}-\sin(\alpha_e)\\0\\-\cos(\alpha_e)\end{array} $$ ?
 
Luk said:
... is the cross product then ...
Which cross product is this? Do you mean the electric field? It is best to make a drawing showing the three principal axes, the k-vector and the H-vector. Add to this drawing the E-vector in such a way that ##\vec{E}\times\vec{H}## points in the direction of ##\hat{e}_k##. Then look at the drawing and find the components of the E-vector.
 
Ok. Well, here is my gemoetric solution and how I choose the cross product. I hope it is readable:
.. wait. How can I upload a photo ?

allright, should be uploaded. You find the images at the end of this page
 
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So, what's confusing me is: This answer appears to be correct. But as you can see on the last page, the cross product of E x H does NOT yield a vector in k-direction, but in negative k-direction. So, WTF ?
 
It seems you have applied the right hand rule incorrectly. If you use this definition of the rhr and your sketch, you should have index finger along E, middle finger along H then the thumb along k is opposite to what you have drawn. Now the directions of H and k are given, so you need to redraw your E-vector.

Right_hand_rule.png
 

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