How Do I Simplify These Tricky Integral Calculations?

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The discussion revolves around simplifying integral calculations, specifically focusing on trigonometric substitutions and partial fraction decomposition. The integrals presented include expressions involving square roots and rational functions, which pose challenges in simplification.

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  • Participants discuss various trigonometric substitutions for integrals, such as \( u = \tan^{-1}(\theta) \) and \( u = \sin^{-1}(\theta) \). There are attempts to simplify integrals by substituting variables and expressing terms in trigonometric identities. Some participants express confusion about the simplification process and the correct application of identities.

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Several participants have provided guidance on how to approach the integrals, suggesting the use of trigonometric identities and careful substitution of differentials. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of notation and the need for clarity in expressions. Multiple interpretations of the integrals are being considered, with no explicit consensus reached on the best approach.

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Participants note the importance of including differentials in their integrals and the potential for misinterpretation due to notation. There is also mention of specific values used in solving for coefficients in partial fractions, indicating a need for further exploration of these values.

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1. ∫(√4x² + 9)/x4

using u = atanθ

x = 3/2tanθ

dx = 3/2sec²θ

I plugged x in and am stuck on simplifying



2. ∫x²/√25 - x²)

u = asinθ

x = 5sinθ

dx = 5cosθ

Again, plugged x into original equation cannot simplify



3. ∫2x^3 - 4x - 8/(x² - x)(x² + 4)

got stuck midway through this problem...

2x^3 - 4x - 8 = A(x-1)(x² + 4) + B(x)(x² + 4) + Cx + D(x)(x-1)

let x = 0 A = 2
let x = 1 B = -2
 
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You need to know your trig identities. For example, in the 2nd one:
[tex]\int \frac{x^2}{\sqrt{25-x^2}} dx[/tex]
If you make the substitutions you get
[tex]\int \frac{25\sin^2 \theta \cdot 5\cos \theta}{\sqrt{25-25\sin^2 \theta}} d\theta[/tex]

If I factor out the 25 in the denominator:
[tex]\int \frac{25\sin^2 \theta \cdot 5\cos \theta}{\sqrt{25(1-\sin^2 \theta)}} d\theta[/tex]
... do you recognize anything?

rjs123 said:
3. ∫2x^3 - 4x - 8/(x² - x)(x² + 4) dx
Don't forget the dx.

rjs123 said:
2x^3 - 4x - 8 = A(x-1)(x² + 4) + B(x)(x² + 4) + Cx + D(x)(x-1)

let x = 0 A = 2
let x = 1 B = -2
Are you trying to use partial fractions? Expand the right side by multiplying out the polynomials, and after grouping like terms, equate the coefficients. For example, you'll see an x3 term on the right side. Set its coefficient equal to 2 (the coefficient on the left side).
 
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rjs123 said:
1. ∫(√4x² + 9)/x4

using u = atanθ

x = 3/2tanθ

dx = 3/2sec²θ

I plugged x in and am stuck on simplifying
Show us what you got. Also, you have omitted dx in your original integral, and dθ in your equation for dx. If you don't substitute for the differentials in trig substitutions, you won't be working with the right expressions.
rjs123 said:
2. ∫x²/√25 - x²)

u = asinθ

x = 5sinθ

dx = 5cosθ

Again, plugged x into original equation cannot simplify



3. ∫2x^3 - 4x - 8/(x² - x)(x² + 4)

got stuck midway through this problem...
You aren't using enough parentheses. As you have written your integrand, it would be interpreted as 2x3 - 4x - (
[tex]2x^3 - 4x - \frac{8}{(x^2 - x)(x^2 + 4)}[/tex]

From the work you show below, that's not what you intended.
rjs123 said:
2x^3 - 4x - 8 = A(x-1)(x² + 4) + B(x)(x² + 4) + Cx + D(x)(x-1)
Again, you need more parentheses. The last expression on the right side above should be (Cx + D)(x(x - 1))
rjs123 said:
let x = 0 A = 2
let x = 1 B = -2

You can use these values to rewrite you equation above.
2x3 - 4x - 8 = 2(x - 1)(x2 + 4) - 2x(x2 + 4) + (Cx + D)(x(x - 1))

Pick a couple more values of x to solve for C and D.
 
I say nothing about your notation, but the first integral is it supposed to be

[tex]I= \int \frac{\sqrt{4x^{2}+9}}{x^k} \, dx [/itex]<br /> <br /> where k=4 ? If k=1, the integration is almost immediate. For k not 1 it gets messy as Mathematica shows (attachment)[/tex]
 

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You need to know your trig identities. For example, in the 2nd one:
[tex]\int \frac{x^2}{\sqrt{25-x^2}} dx[/tex]
If you make the substitutions you get
[tex]\int \frac{25\sin^2 \theta \cdot 5\cos \theta}{\sqrt{25-25\sin^2 \theta}} d\theta[/tex]

If I factor out the 25 in the denominator:
[tex]\int \frac{25\sin^2 \theta \cdot 5\cos \theta}{\sqrt{25(1-\sin^2 \theta)}} d\theta[/tex]
... do you recognize anything?

thanks for the help, i reduced the denominator before plugging in x...led to my mistake

here is where i am stuck at now:

[tex]\int\frac {25\sin^2\theta}{5cos\theta} d\theta[/tex]

im not sure which way i should go here.
 
rjs123 said:
1. ∫(√4x² + 9)/x4

using u = atanθ

x = 3/2tanθ

dx = 3/2sec²θ

I plugged x in and am stuck on simplifying
Assuming you mean:

[tex]\int \frac{\sqrt{4x^{2}+9}}{x^4} \, dx[/tex]

Using the substitution you suggested:
If x = (3/2)tanθ , then dx = (3/2)sec2θ dθ. Also 4x2 = 9tan2θ.

So, your integral becomes:

[tex]\int\frac{\sqrt{9\tan^2(\theta)+9}}{\displaystyle ({81}/{16})\tan^4(\theta)}\,\left(\frac{3}{2}\right)\sec^2(\theta)\,d\theta[/tex]

[tex]=\frac{8}{9}\int\frac{|\sec^3(\theta)|}{\tan^4(\theta)}\,d\theta[/tex]

Write the integrand in terms of sin & cos, then you should be fine. Don't forget to change back from θ to x.
 
rjs123 said:
thanks for the help, i reduced the denominator before plugging in x...led to my mistake

here is where i am stuck at now:

[tex]\int\frac {25\sin^2\theta}{5\cos\theta} d\theta[/tex]

im not sure which way i should go here.
Technically, that's:

[tex]\int\frac {25\sin^2\theta}{5|\cos\theta|} d\theta[/tex]

Use sin2θ = 1‒cos2θ & divide each term by |cosθ|
 
rjs123 said:
thanks for the help, i reduced the denominator before plugging in x...led to my mistake

here is where i am stuck at now:

[tex]\int\frac {25\sin^2\theta}{5cos\theta} d\theta[/tex]

im not sure which way i should go here.
Replace sin^2(theta) by 1 - cos^2(theta), and then divide both terms by cos(theta).
 
[tex]\frac{1-\cos^2(\theta)}{\cos(\theta)}=\frac{1}{\cos(\theta)}-\frac{\cos^2(\theta)}{\cos(\theta)}=\ \ ?[/tex]

It's true that [tex]\int\sec(\theta)\,d\theta[/tex] is a bit tricky.
 
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[tex]\int \sec\theta \, d\theta = \int \frac{d\sin\theta}{1-\sin^2 \theta} =...[/tex]

The last can be done either using the substitution [itex]\sin\theta = \tanh u[/itex] or by partial fractions.
 

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