How Do I Solve this 2nd Order Non-Linear ODE and Find Its Equilibrium Points?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving a second-order non-linear ordinary differential equation (ODE) and finding its equilibrium points. Participants are exploring methods for linearizing the system, drawing phase portraits, and classifying the equilibrium points, with a focus on numerical solutions using MATLAB.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the presence of a derivative term (y') in the ODE and whether to rewrite the equations purely in terms of the variable u.
  • Another participant questions whether the focus is on exact or numerical solutions, indicating a preference for numerical methods with initial conditions based on phase portraits.
  • A participant proposes that the equilibrium points can be derived from the equations u' = 0 and v' = 0, suggesting that the real solutions are at (0,0), (1,0), and (-1,0).
  • There is a discussion about the imaginary parts of the solutions and whether they should be considered when classifying the equilibrium points.
  • Clarification is provided regarding the equations, emphasizing that the equilibrium points are determined by setting both u' and v' to zero.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the identification of the equilibrium points at (0,0), (1,0), and (-1,0). However, there is some uncertainty regarding the treatment of imaginary parts in the classification of these points, and the discussion remains unresolved on the best approach to take.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of familiarity with the methods for solving non-linear ODEs, indicating potential gaps in understanding specific steps, such as the role of the Jacobian matrix in analyzing equilibrium points.

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Good morning everyone. First let me thank you for your help in advance!

I have to solve this 2nd order non-linear ODE, and I'm stuck at the beginning. We have to find the equilibrium points, linearize the system, draw the phase portraits and classify the eq points, and solve it numerically.

I think I'm fine with linearizing it and classifying, as well as producing some preliminary phase portraits before I head to matlab.

The ODE:

y''-y'+y2y'+y-y5=0

I've rewritten this 2nd order ODE into (2) 1st order ODE's to start:

u=y
v=y'

u' = y' = v
v'=y'' = v-u2v-u+u5

The second equation can be factored out to = (u-1)(u+1)(u3-v+u)

My confusion lies with the fact that I have a y' in my equation and this presents a v variable subsequently. Do I have to rewrite this equation in terms of v, so it's purely with u's (for the lack of better terms)? Then find where u' = 0? None of my other examples have a (v)/y' in them so it's difficult to reference my notes. Somehow I think I have 3 eq points at (0,0) , (1,0) , & (-1,0) but I wasn't completely sure how that equation panned out.

Thanks for your help!
 
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metstandard16 said:
Good morning everyone. First let me thank you for your help in advance!

I have to solve this 2nd order non-linear ODE, and I'm stuck at the beginning. We have to find the equilibrium points, linearize the system, draw the phase portraits and classify the eq points, and solve it numerically.

I think I'm fine with linearizing it and classifying, as well as producing some preliminary phase portraits before I head to matlab.

The ODE:

y''-y'+y2y'+y-y5=0

I've rewritten this 2nd order ODE into (2) 1st order ODE's to start:

u=y
v=y'

u' = y' = v
v'=y'' = v-u2v-u+u5

The second equation can be factored out to = (u-1)(u+1)(u3-v+u)

My confusion lies with the fact that I have a y' in my equation and this presents a v variable subsequently. Do I have to rewrite this equation in terms of v, so it's purely with u's (for the lack of better terms)? Then find where u' = 0? None of my other examples have a (v)/y' in them so it's difficult to reference my notes. Somehow I think I have 3 eq points at (0,0) , (1,0) , & (-1,0) but I wasn't completely sure how that equation panned out.

Thanks for your help!

Are you trying to solve this exactly, or approximately with a numerical scheme?
 
Prove It said:
Are you trying to solve this exactly, or approximately with a numerical scheme?

Thanks for your reply. I'm trying to solve it numerically, eventually with the aid of MATLAB and with a few initial conditions based on the phase portraits.

I guess my confusion lies around the equilibrium points and the jacobian matrix system.

To expand on my work in the post above:

v' = y'' = v-u2v-u+u5
v' = v(1-u2)+u(u4-1)
v = u(1-u4)/(1-u2)
= u(1+u2)

v=0
Eq Point: (0,0) seems to be the only real solution, and perhaps a +/- i on the non-real part because of the 1+u^2.

Am I concerned with the imaginary part at this point? Just needed help getting this so I could classify them as (saddle, center, etc) and work up some approximate phase portraits.

Thanks!
 
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metstandard16 said:
Good morning everyone. First let me thank you for your help in advance!

I have to solve this 2nd order non-linear ODE, and I'm stuck at the beginning. We have to find the equilibrium points, linearize the system, draw the phase portraits and classify the eq points, and solve it numerically.

I think I'm fine with linearizing it and classifying, as well as producing some preliminary phase portraits before I head to matlab.

The ODE:

y''-y'+y2y'+y-y5=0

I've rewritten this 2nd order ODE into (2) 1st order ODE's to start:

u=y
v=y'

u' = y' = v
v'=y'' = v-u2v-u+u5

The second equation can be factored out to = (u-1)(u+1)(u3-v+u)

My confusion lies with the fact that I have a y' in my equation and this presents a v variable subsequently. Do I have to rewrite this equation in terms of v, so it's purely with u's (for the lack of better terms)? Then find where u' = 0? None of my other examples have a (v)/y' in them so it's difficult to reference my notes.

And there is no "(v)/y'" here! Your two equations are u'= v and v'= v- u^2v- u+ u^5.

The equilibrium points are where u'= 0 and v'= 0. That is, u'= v= 0 and v'= v- u^2v- u+ u^5= 0. Setting v= 0 in the second equation, we have -u+ u^5= u(u^2+ 1)(u- 1)(u+ 1)=0 so u= 0, u= 1, and u= -1 are the real roots. Those give equilibrium points, (u, v)= (0, 0), (1, 0), and (-1, 0). The simplest way to find the phase diagram is to linearize about each equilibrium point.
 

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