How Do s and t Function in Matrix Representations of Linear Systems?

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The discussion revolves around understanding the roles of parameters "s" and "t" in the context of matrix representations of linear systems, specifically in relation to the equation of a plane in three-dimensional space. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the general logic behind these parameters as they relate to a specific problem encountered in an introductory linear algebra context.

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  • Participants explore the nature of "s" and "t" as parameters in parametric equations of a plane, discussing their implications and the infinite representations possible. Some participants question the original poster's interpretation of "s" and "t" as constants, while others provide examples of how to express the plane's equation in different forms.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations of the parameters being explored. Some participants have provided alternative representations of the plane, suggesting that there are multiple valid ways to express the relationship between the variables. However, there is no explicit consensus on the original poster's understanding of the problem.

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There is mention of a specific problem posed by the professor, which may imply constraints or expectations regarding the interpretation of the parameters. The original poster indicates that the professor believes there is only one possible answer to the problem, which has led to confusion in the discussion.

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Need some help with questions like this. I'm quite confused as to how to answer it in general.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2rhu6f7&s=6

I've posted only the first first basic problem as I can do the rest if I understand the logic behind this.

I actually encountered this while I was studying the introduction to linear algebra system of linear equations chapter.

What do "s" and "t" represent in this?
 
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4x+ 9y+ 7z= 14 is the equation of a plane in an xyz- coordinate system. Since a plane is two dimensional, it can be written as parametric equations in two parameters. s and t are the parameters. There is no single "correct" answer- there are an infinite number of ways to choose the parameters, giving an infinite number of answers. One very simple method is to solve for one of the coordinates, say, z, in terms of the others: z= 2- (4/7)x- (9/7)y and use x and y as parameters: x= s, y= t, z= 2- (4/7)s- (9/7)t.
 
HallsofIvy said:
4x+ 9y+ 7z= 14 is the equation of a plane in an xyz- coordinate system. Since a plane is two dimensional, it can be written as parametric equations in two parameters. s and t are the parameters. There is no single "correct" answer- there are an infinite number of ways to choose the parameters, giving an infinite number of answers. One very simple method is to solve for one of the coordinates, say, z, in terms of the others: z= 2- (4/7)x- (9/7)y and use x and y as parameters: x= s, y= t, z= 2- (4/7)s- (9/7)t.

Yeah, I considered that but as you can see in the question s and t act as a constant for the whole column. If I consider s = x, it becomes a problem when I am solving it in terms of x. The question I posted basically has only one possible answer for those blanks or so my prof says. Any ideas?
 
josh3189 said:
Yeah, I considered that but as you can see in the question s and t act as a constant for the whole column. If I consider s = x, it becomes a problem when I am solving it in terms of x. The question I posted basically has only one possible answer for those blanks or so my prof says. Any ideas?

The sentence before the last one is incomprehensible: I have no idea what you are attempting to say. If your prof. claims there is only one possible form he/she is wrong. If we solve for x in terms of y and z we get
x = 7/2 -(9/4)*y -(7/4)*z, so if we set s = y and t = z we have
$$\pmatrix{x\\y\\z} = \pmatrix{7/2\\0\\0} + s \pmatrix{-9/4\\1\\0} + t \pmatrix{-7/4\\0\\1}.$$
However, if we solve for y in terms of x and z we have y = 14/9 -(4/9)*x -(7/9)*z, so if x = s and z = t we have
$$\pmatrix{x\\y\\z} = \pmatrix{0\\14/9\\0} + s \pmatrix{1\\-4/9\\0} + t \pmatrix{0\\-7/9\\1}.$$
Still other representations can be obtained.

Basically, you want to describe any point in the plane by a 2-dimensional coordinate system lying in the plane. That means giving an "origin"---any specific point in the plane-- and two "axes" lying in the plane and emanating from the origin. These would be any two linearly independent vectors <x,y,z> that solve 4x+ 9y+ 7z= 0.

RGV
 

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