How Do Spinning Tops and Suspended Magnets Exhibit Surprising Physics?

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The discussion explores the physics behind the behavior of spinning tops and magnets suspended above superconductors, focusing on the mechanisms that may explain the observed phenomena, including the rising motion of spinning tops and the stability of magnets in a superconducting environment.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that a spinning top can rise momentarily when released at high speed, questioning the underlying reasons for this behavior.
  • Another participant explains that magnets can be suspended over superconductors due to the Meissner effect, which excludes magnetic fields from superconductors, allowing for stable suspension but not inherent spinning.
  • This participant suggests that the spinning of the magnet can be induced by nudging it, and that it will slow down due to air resistance.
  • There is uncertainty regarding the cause of the top's rising motion, with hypotheses including the release angle or possible aerodynamic effects, though the latter is doubted to be significant.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the rising behavior of the top, indicating they have not observed this phenomenon themselves.
  • A later reply provides a link to a related concept, the Tippe top, which may offer further insight into the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the rising behavior of spinning tops, with some questioning its occurrence while others assert it as a phenomenon. The relationship between the behavior of tops and magnets over superconductors remains unresolved, with no consensus on whether they are related.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding assumptions about the conditions under which the top rises and the specific effects of air resistance on the spinning magnet. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical or physical principles involved.

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Readers interested in the physics of rotational motion, superconductivity, and magnetism may find this discussion relevant.

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When you release a top with high speed, it rises for an instant. Why is this?
I've also seen magnets spinning madly when suspended above superconductors.

Are these observations related and is there an explanation for this?

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Magnets can be suspended over superconductors because of the [tex]\Large\text{M}\ddot{\text{o}}\text{ssbauer}}[/tex] effect, the observation that magnetic fields are excluded from superconductors. They are excluded because any magnetic field will set up a moving current in the superconductor of sufficient strength (assuming it is less than the critical current of the superconductor) to repel the magnet and its magnetic field. Naturally, a magnet suspended over a superconductor is stable, it doesn't spin. However, they can easily be caused to spin (by simply nudging them in the right direction) and will take awhile to slow down since there is very little friction (since they are suspended, I would think it is mostly from air resistance).

As for the top, I am unsure of the source of the effect. It could be due to having released it at an upward angle (giving it a little vertical velocity), or maybe an aerodynamic effect where the movement of the air due to the spinning top imparts a little upward velocity (I doubt such an effect would be large enough to notice even if it exists.).

So, no, the reasons are not related (unless the top is magnetic and is over a superconductor).
 
I don't believe I've ever noticed a top rise when you spin it quickly. You sure about this?
 
Here's one in action:

 
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