How do we determine complex state equations for substances?

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The discussion centers on the complexity of state equations for substances, particularly in the context of the textbook "Physics" by Frederick J. Keller, W. Edward Gettys, and Malcolm J. Skove. The common ideal gas law, PV=mRT, is highlighted as applicable only to ideal gases, while real gases exhibit more complex behaviors described by empirical relationships. Participants express confusion regarding the necessity of experimental determination of these complex state equations, emphasizing the variability among substances.

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  • Understanding of thermodynamics and state variables
  • Familiarity with the ideal gas law (PV=mRT)
  • Knowledge of empirical methods in physics
  • Basic grasp of real gas behavior and equations of state
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Hello. I am reading about state equations from a physics textbook, Physics by Frederick J. Keller, W. Edward Gettys, Malcolm j. Skove (Volume I). I don't understand some parts but since I have the Turkish translation of the book I must translate it as good and clear as possible.

"State equations of some substances may be very complex functions of state variables. In that case, relations between variables are determined empirically\experimentally."

The above statement does not make much sense to me because aren't there just a few state equations, most common being PV=mRT?

The statement makes me think that as if state equations vary from substance to substance and they are very very complex that they are determined by experimentally.

The situation of determining them experimentally does not make sense to me, too.

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mech-eng said:
Hello. I am reading about state equations from a physics textbook, Physics by Frederick J. Keller, W. Edward Gettys, Malcolm j. Skove (Volume I). I don't understand some parts but since I have the Turkish translation of the book I must translate it as good and clear as possible.

"State equations of some substances may be very complex functions of state variables. In that case, relations between variables are determined empirically\experimentally."

The above statement does not make much sense to me because aren't there just a few state equations, most common being PV=mRT?
This equation applies only to an ideal gas, which is how a real gas behaves at relatively low pressures. The more general behavior of a real gas is $$f(P, \frac{V}{m},T)=0$$How would you describe this behavior for a specific gas without doing experiments.
 

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