How do we know the speed of light exists ?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of the speed of light, questioning its existence and whether it is a concept or a measurable quantity. Participants explore the implications of its finiteness and the distinction between massless and massive particles, as well as the mathematical and experimental aspects of measuring the speed of light.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the speed of light is a concept similar to infinity, suggesting uncertainty about its nature as a number.
  • Another participant asserts that light is electromagnetic radiation and provides a mathematical expression related to its speed, indicating a belief that light is more like a number than a concept.
  • Some participants emphasize that the speed of light is finite and can be measured experimentally, contrasting it with the concept of infinity.
  • A participant mentions various methods of measuring the speed of light, linking it to established scientific principles.
  • Another participant clarifies the distinction between massive and massless particles, stating that massless particles (photons) always travel at the speed of light, while massive particles do not reach that speed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the speed of light is a concept or a measurable quantity, with some asserting its finiteness and measurability while others explore its conceptual implications. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the philosophical nature of the speed of light.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference mathematical definitions and experimental measurements, but there are unresolved questions about the philosophical implications of the speed of light and its comparison to concepts like infinity.

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How do we know the speed of light "exists"?

If we "know" that it can't be reached, how do we know it exists? Like I am looking at this from a math view.

So okay, "infinity" is not a number, it is a concept. It took me about a year of convincing to settle it down.

So is the speed of light the same thing? Not a number, but a concept? How do know this certain number 3 * 10^8 is not possible? Because I am just loooking at this as a number and the book tells me this is impossible.
 
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All light is electromagnetic radiation. It is derived by [tex]{1/\sqrt{\beta_0\epsilon_0}}[/tex] where [tex]{\beta_0}[/tex] is the magnetic permitivity in a vacuum and [tex]{\epsilon_0}[/tex] is the electrical permitivity in a vacuum. This is the direct cause of Maxwell's equations.

Is light like infinity? I don't have that much exposure to the concept of infinity, but I would have to say no. Light is more like a number, than a concept in my opinion.
 


Unlike infinity, the speed of light is large but finite and can be measured experimentally.
 


What do you mean how do we know the speed of light exists? We measure it. What exactly is the issue?

You're confusing massive and massless particles. Massless particles (photons) always travel at 'c' and we observe them always traveling at that speed. Massive particles never reach 'c' and we've never observed them reaching 'c'.
 

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