How Do You Apply the Cylindrical Shells Method for Rotating a Bounded Region?

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The discussion revolves around applying the cylindrical shells method to find the volume generated by rotating a region bounded by the curves \(y=4x-x^2\) and \(y=3\) about the vertical line \(x=1\). Participants are exploring the setup of the problem and the necessary integrals involved.

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  • The original poster attempts to determine if two integrals are needed and expresses confusion about how to account for the volume cut off by the line \(y=3\). Some participants clarify that only one integral is necessary and provide hints regarding the setup of the cylindrical shell formula. Others question the limits of integration and the interpretation of the region being rotated.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing hints and clarifications. There is a recognition of the need to correctly identify the limits of integration based on the intersection points of the curves. Some participants have expressed uncertainty about their understanding of definite integrals and the setup of the problem.

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There is mention of the functions intersecting at \(x=1\) and \(x=3\), which are considered as potential limits for the integral. The original poster reflects on assumptions made during their attempts to solve the problem.

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1. From Stewart Calculus and Concepts 4th edition, page 454 #15

Use the method of cylindrical shells to find the volume generated by rotating the region bounded by the given curves about the specified axis.

15. y=4x-x^2, y=; rotate about x=1

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3. I was able to find the volume of the function y=4x-x^2 by integrating from 0 to 4, but the line y=3 cuts the function off near the top, and I don't know how to take some of that volume "out". Are 2 integrals needed for this? I also tried the washer method of integrating the top function(y=4x-x^2 minus the bottom function(y=3) and I still didn't get it. I've been stuck on this one for about 2 hours now. Any hints?
 
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nlsherrill said:
Are 2 integrals needed for this? Any hints?

Nope, we don't need 2 integrals. Since this is rotation about a vertical axis (x=1), we have

[tex]V = \int_a^b 2\pi*r*h*dx[/tex]
Where,
r = distance from axis
h = height of shell.

That's all we need. As for hints:
Since we're rotating about x=1, we're essentially "losing" 1 unit of x in the sense that r = x - 1.
Also, h is the difference of the two y(x) functions (top minus bottom).

Can you figure out the rest? I think you should end up with V = 4/3.
 
Raskolnikov said:
Nope, we don't need 2 integrals. Since this is rotation about a vertical axis (x=1), we have

[tex]V = \int_a^b 2\pi*r*h*dx[/tex]
Where,
r = distance from axis
h = height of shell.

That's all we need. As for hints:
Since we're rotating about x=1, we're essentially "losing" 1 unit of x in the sense that r = x - 1.
Also, h is the difference of the two y(x) functions (top minus bottom).

Can you figure out the rest? I think you should end up with V = 4/3.

The back of the book says the answer is 8*pi/3

I know how to do some of these but this one I must just be missing something fundamental.

I don't know how to do a definite integral, but its from 0 to 4 of[tex]2\pi\int(x-1)(4x-x^2-3)dx[/tex]
 
nlsherrill said:
The back of the book says the answer is 8*pi/3

I know how to do some of these but this one I must just be missing something fundamental.

ooops...yea, I forgot the factor of 2pi out in front. So 4/3 * 2pi = 8pi/3 is correct.

I don't know how to do a definite integral, but its from 0 to 4 of[tex]2\pi\int(x-1)(4x-x^2-3)dx[/tex]
Close! Everything inside the integral is good, but your limits are a bit off, i.e. NOT from 0 to 4. Remember, the limits of your integral will be the 2 x-values that bound the region. Between which two x-values does the region lie?
 
Raskolnikov said:
ooops...yea, I forgot the factor of 2pi out in front. So 4/3 * 2pi = 8pi/3 is correct.


Close! Everything inside the integral is good, but your limits are a bit off, i.e. NOT from 0 to 4. Remember, the limits of your integral will be the 2 x-values that bound the region. Between which two x-values does the region lie?

all I know is the functions intersect at x=1 and x=3. Are those the limits? If so then I don't understand why.
 
Okay I got the answer finally.

The whole time I was trying to solve it I was thinking for some reason that they were looking for the bottom half of the curve, not the top part bisected by y=3. O well, lesson learned not to make blind assumptions! Thank you Raskolnikov
 

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