How Do You Calculate the Length of a Cardioid in the First Quadrant?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the length of a cardioid defined by the equation r = 1 + cos(θ) specifically in the first quadrant. Participants are exploring the mathematical reasoning and techniques necessary for evaluating the integral related to this problem.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the transformation of the integral involving the expression √(1 - sin(θ)) and consider the application of trigonometric identities. There is an exploration of multiplying by a form of one to simplify the expression, leading to questions about the validity and implications of such manipulations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on manipulating the integral, suggesting specific algebraic transformations and trigonometric substitutions. There is ongoing clarification regarding the steps taken and the correctness of the transformations, with no explicit consensus reached on the final approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of the problem's requirements and the need to adhere to proper mathematical procedures, while also grappling with potential misunderstandings of the transformations involved.

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Homework Statement


Find the length of the cardioid with equation r = 1 + cos (theta) located in the first quadrant


Homework Equations


f (theta) = 1 + cos (theta) f'(theta) = -sin (theta) s = antiderivative (0 to (pi/2)) sq rt (f(theta)^(2) + f'(theta)^(2)) d(theta)


The Attempt at a Solution


I have worked thru the problem and have arrived at sq rt (2) antiderivative (0 to (pi/2)) sq rt (1-sin (theta)) d(theta) but have hit a road block here. Is there a trig identity that will help solve this? I haven't had any luck finding anything and don't know how else to proceed. Thanks in advance!
 
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[tex]1-sin x \times \frac{1+sinx}{1+sinx} = ?[/tex]

then use cos2x+sin2x = 1

then a trig substitution.
 
It's been a long day, but I don't understand where the (1+sin x)/(1+sin x) comes from? From what I see that equals 1 and again leaves me with 1-sin x?
 
Yes, 1 + sinx over itself equals 1, and you can always multiply by 1. If you carry out the multiplication suggested by rock.freak667, what do you get?
 
stau40 said:
It's been a long day, but I don't understand where the (1+sin x)/(1+sin x) comes from? From what I see that equals 1 and again leaves me with 1-sin x?

multiply it by 1-sinx and then what would you get? (you are multiplying by '1' so that you are not changing the integral)
 
I'm getting ((1-sinx)*(1+sinx))/1+sinx = (1+sinx-sinx-sinx^(2))/(1+sinx) = (1-sinx^(2))/(1+sinx) = (cosx^(2))/(1+sinx). Is this correct, or did I mess it up?
 
stau40 said:
I'm getting ((1-sinx)*(1+sinx))/1+sinx = (1+sinx-sinx-sinx^(2))/(1+sinx) = (1-sinx^(2))/(1+sinx) = (cosx^(2))/(1+sinx). Is this correct, or did I mess it up?

Yes that is correct. So now instead of integrating √(1-sinx) wrt x, you can now integrate

[tex]\int \sqrt{\frac{cos^2x}{1+sinx}} dx[/tex]

now remember that √(a/b) = √a/√b

So what does the new integral become?
 
I'm getting the antiderivative of (cosx)/(1+(sq rt sinx))
 
For your denominator,
[tex]\sqrt{1 + \sin x} \neq 1 + \sqrt{\sin x}[/tex]
 
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How about this: (cosx)/(square root cosx)
 
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No, not even close. Following rock.freak667's suggestion you should have
[tex]\int {\frac{cos~x}{\sqrt{1+sin~x}}} dx[/tex]

The reason for his suggestion was to get to an integrand that is relatively easy to antidifferentiate.
 

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