How Do You Calculate the Mass of a Car Using Force and Acceleration?

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The problem involves calculating the mass of a car based on the force exerted while pushing it and its acceleration. The scenario includes a student using a bathroom scale to measure force while the car accelerates from rest.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between force, mass, and acceleration using Newton's second law. There are attempts to convert units and calculate acceleration, with some questioning the interpretation of the scale's reading and its relevance to the car's mass.

Discussion Status

Some participants have identified errors in unit conversion and the interpretation of the force measurement. There is ongoing exploration of how to correctly apply the given values and equations, with no clear consensus on the final mass calculation yet.

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Participants are working within the constraints of the problem statement, including the specific values given for force and time, and are questioning the assumptions made about the scale's reading and its implications for the mass calculation.

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Homework Statement



To determine the mass of a car, a student (with a friend at the wheel) pushes the car holding a bathroom scale between himself and the car. The scale maintains a constant reading of 433 N while the car accelerates on level ground. At the conclusion of the experiement, his friend reports that the car accelerated from rest to 18.8 km/hr in 15.9 s. What was the mass of the car?

Homework Equations


a= Delta V/Delta t
f=ma
w=mg
g=9.8m/s^2

The Attempt at a Solution



a = 18.8km/hr/15.9s ------> 313m/s/15.9s = 19.7m/s^2 - > Acceleration of car.

F=ma, since the force is constant throughout the problem I assumed acceleration was constant.

W=mg ----> 422N=m(9.8m/s^2)--> m=43.06kg, is the weight.

f=ma ---> f=(43.1kg)(19.7m/s^2) = 847N

m= 847N/9.8m/s^2 = 86.4kg... incorrect.. am i doing too much ?
 
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You're on the right track, but I see two errors, and I'm not sure about one of your steps.

18.8 km/hr does not equal 313 m/s. Hint: how many seconds are there in one hour?

I don't know why you tried calculating the weight - or why you used 422N. I *think* you need to reread the problem, and visualize what they did with the scale, and what the 433N actually represents.

I believe your mass should equal 1318kg, yes?
 
p21bass said:
You're on the right track, but I see two errors, and I'm not sure about one of your steps.

18.8 km/hr does not equal 313 m/s. Hint: how many seconds are there in one hour?

I don't know why you tried calculating the weight - or why you used 422N. I *think* you need to reread the problem, and visualize what they did with the scale, and what the 433N actually represents.

I believe your mass should equal 1318kg, yes?

Correct.

OK, got to figure out how you did this.

I fixed my stupid mistakes;

v=5.22m/s
a=5.22m/s/15.1s=0.346m/s^2


Now, M=433N/0.346m/s^2--->1251kg

The 433N represents the weight of the car? W(N)=m(kg)a(m/s^2)
 
"To determine the mass of a car, a student (with a friend at the wheel) pushes the car holding a bathroom scale between himself and the car."

The car isn't on top of the scale, so it's not the weight of the car. If it were the weight of the car, then we'd just divide 433N/9.81(m/s^2). It's the amount of force required to move the car. So you did it correctly this last time, but you somehow put 15.1s into your equation, as opposed to 15.9s.
 

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