How Do You Calculate the Motion of a Pebble in a Rolling Tire?

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The problem involves calculating the motion of a pebble embedded in the tread of a rolling tire, which is rotating counterclockwise with a specified angular velocity. The task requires determining various vectors related to the pebble's motion, including its velocity, position, and acceleration, in relation to a fixed point on the ground.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the formulation of the velocity vector for the axle of the tire and express uncertainty about how to represent it in vector terms. There is an exploration of the position vector of the pebble and how it changes with the tire's translation and rotation.

Discussion Status

Some participants have proposed specific forms for the velocity and position vectors, while others are questioning the correctness of their expressions. There is an ongoing exploration of how to incorporate both the rotation and translation of the tire into the calculations.

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Participants are working under the constraints of the problem statement, which specifies the conditions of the tire's motion and the initial position of the pebble. There is a focus on ensuring that the calculations reflect both the angular motion and the linear motion of the tire.

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Homework Statement


You are to find the coordinates of a pebble stuck in the tread of a rolling tire that is rotating counterclockwise (i.e., in the positive sense) with angular velocity omega. The tire rolls without slipping on the ground (which is at y = 0 ). The outer radius of the tire is R. At time t = 0 , the pebble is at the top of the tire, as shown.

a). Find the velocity of the axle of the tire relative to a fixed point on the ground, v_vec_ag(t). Note the order of the subscripts: velocity of axle measured relative to the ground. Express your answer in terms of R, omega, and x_unit and/or y_unit.

The pebble and tire have now rolled as shown in the figure. View Figure Answer the following questions for t>0.

b). Find the position vector of the pebble relative to the initial point of contact between the wheel and ground at a time t, r_pg_vec(t).
Express the position vector of the pebble in terms of R, omega, t, and the unit vectors x_unit and/or y_unit of the xy coordinate system shown.


c). Find v_vec_pg(t), the velocity vector of the pebble with respect to a fixed point on the ground, in terms of the unit vectors x_unit and y_unit of the xy coordinate system shown.
Express the velocity vector in terms of R, omega, t, and x_unit and/or y_unit.


d) Now find a_vec_pg(t), the acceleration vector of the pebble with respect to a fixed point on the ground.
Express your answer in terms of R, omega, t and x_unit and/or y_unit of the xy coordinate system shown.

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ok, for the first one, i know v = rw, but how do i write it in terms of vectors, v =rwx ?

and for part b, i have no clue how i should be approaching this ... just seems too weird :S
 

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I think for part a), what they want is:

v_vec_ag(t) = -Rw\hat{x}... ie -Rw times a unit vector in the x-direction.

For part b), suppose the wheel was just rotating without any translation... (ie it is just rotating in place). What is the position vector relative to the initial point of contact? use sin, cos etc... the angle through which the wheel has rotated is wt...

then how does this position vector change when you take into account the horizontal velocity of the tire?

c) take the derivative of b).

d) take the derivative of c).
 
ok, so i know its Rsinwt(x) + RCoswt(y) and the initial position was just R(y)

so, relative to the initial position it should be Rsinwt(x)+(R(y)-RCoswt(y))

doesnt sound right, does it ?
 
bump ... anyone ?
 
HeLLz aNgeL said:
ok, so i know its Rsinwt(x) + RCoswt(y) and the initial position was just R(y)

so, relative to the initial position it should be Rsinwt(x)+(R(y)-RCoswt(y))

doesnt sound right, does it ?

Well... if translation wasn't there... here's what I get:

\vec{r} = -Rsin(wt)\hat{x} + (Rcos(wt)+R)\hat{y}

Now add the translation... -Rwt\hat{x}

so it comes out to:

\vec{r} = (-Rsin(wt)-Rwt)\hat{x} + (Rcos(wt)+R)\hat{y}
 
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