How Do You Calculate Total Resistance in a Complex Circuit?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the total resistance in a complex circuit involving multiple resistors arranged in various configurations. Participants explore different methods and approaches to simplify the circuit for analysis, including the use of voltage sources and transformations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest starting with the KCL equations and applying a 1V source between points A and C to calculate the equivalent resistance.
  • Others express uncertainty about the necessity of a voltage source for calculating total resistance, questioning if it is needed at all.
  • One participant indicates that the circuit is too complex for straightforward series and parallel combinations and recommends using a delta-wye transformation for simplification.
  • Another participant points out that R8 and R10 are not in parallel, but rather R9 and R10 are, and emphasizes the importance of identifying correct series and parallel relationships.
  • Several participants discuss the need to simplify the circuit step by step, starting with available parallel resistance simplifications before applying transformations or Kirchhoff's laws.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to take for calculating the total resistance. There are multiple competing views on whether to use a voltage source, how to identify series and parallel connections, and the applicability of delta-wye transformations.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of familiarity with circuit analysis techniques, and there are indications of missing assumptions regarding the circuit configuration and the application of transformations.

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Homework Statement


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In the above diagram, calculate the total resistance between A and C

R1 = R2 = R3 = R5 = 3.3 Ω

R4 = R7 = R8 = 6.6 Ω

R6 = R9 = R10 = 2.4 Ω

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The Attempt at a Solution


Can anyone give me an insight on where to start for this?
So my current guess is that, R8+R10 = Parallel, meaning that then becomes in series with R9, I really don't know where to start with this
 
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VisualStudio said:

Homework Statement


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In the above diagram, calculate the total resistance between A and C

R1 = R2 = R3 = R5 = 3.3 Ω

R4 = R7 = R8 = 6.6 Ω

R6 = R9 = R10 = 2.4 Ω

Homework Equations


Sum/Product

The Attempt at a Solution


Can anyone give me an insight on where to start for this?
So my current guess is that, R8+R10 = Parallel, meaning that then becomes in series with R9, I really don't know where to start with this

Welcome to the PF.

I don't see a lot of simplifications in the circuit. Just write the KCL equations and solve. Put a 1V source between A and C, and see how much current you get. :-)
 
Hi, the question is to calculate the total resistance, therefore we don't need to put in a correct source, correct?
 
VisualStudio said:
Hi, the question is to calculate the total resistance, therefore we don't need to put in a correct source, correct?

But that network is complicated enough that I don't see easy ways to use series & parallel combinations to collapse the network down to a resistor between A & C. Instead, just put an imaginary 1V voltage source between A & C, and calculate the node voltages and currents. That is one way to figure out the equivalent resistance.
 
VisualStudio said:
Can anyone give me an insight on where to start for this?
So my current guess is that, R8+R10 = Parallel, meaning that then becomes in series with R9, I really don't know where to start with this
R8 and R10 aren't in parallel. R9 and R10 are, but their combination isn't in series with anything else. There are two other pairs in parallel as well. Note also that R1 is shorted.

If you know the delta-wye transformation, you could use that, but Berkeman's suggestion is probably easiest once you simplify the circuit as much as you can.
 
Ok thanks for your help, i'll be having another crack at it tomorrow. So what is exactly in series and parallel please?
 
When two elements are In series, the current that goes through one must go through the other.

When two elements are in parallel, they're connected to the same two nodes, so the voltage across them is identical.
 
So do you think it's wise that I add a voltage source to this circuit? And where would i place it?
 
If you can't simplify it down to one resistor, then yes, you need to add a source. You're trying to find the resistance between A and C, right? Where do you think you should place the source?
 
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Sorry for the late reply, I think delta star transformation would be the way about it. Where would I start with this?
 
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Could anyone help me with this?
 
  • #12
First make all the parallel resistance simplifications that are available. Pay attention to what R1 is connected to.
Then identify an obvious candidate for Y to Delta transformation to generate more parallel resistor opportunities.
 
  • #13
You can use series and parallel resistors until you get a network with 5 resistors where this does not work any more (plus one resistor that can be treated separately).
That smaller network will need a Delta/Y transformation or Kirchhoff's laws, but start with the easier steps first.
 

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