How do you calculate voltage drop across neutral and ground?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the voltage drop between the neutral wire and ground in electrical systems. It explores the complexities involved in this calculation, including circuit configurations and the influence of various factors such as current flow and resistance.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

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  • One participant notes that the voltage between neutral and ground is not exactly 0V and questions how to mathematically calculate the voltage drop.
  • Another participant suggests that calculating this requires understanding the strengths and directions of stray magnetic fields and the layout of ground wiring, which can be complex.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that the calculation depends on the specific circuit and requires knowledge of resistances and expected currents, mentioning that resistances can be estimated based on cable characteristics.
  • It is mentioned that in a three-phase system, unbalanced neutral current can lead to inherent neutral voltage, which varies based on the supply layout.
  • Some participants express confusion over the complexity of the calculations, initially thinking it could be simplified to a basic v=ir equation but realizing it involves more variables.
  • Discussion includes the idea that ideally, the neutral conductor should carry no current in a balanced three-phase system, but imbalances will cause a neutral voltage to appear.
  • One participant highlights that energy metering accounts only for the energy used, while losses in supply cables are distributed among all users.

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Participants express varying views on the complexity of calculating voltage drop, with some suggesting it is straightforward while others highlight the numerous factors that complicate the calculation. No consensus is reached on a definitive method or understanding of the calculation.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects limitations in assumptions about circuit configurations, the need for specific measurements, and the dependence on the layout of electrical systems, which are not fully resolved.

Kevin J
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In our practical world, the voltage between the neutral wire and the ground is not exactly 0V, and there's some small current passing through the wire connecting the neutral wire to the ground, how do you mathematically calculate this voltage drop?
 
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Would that be in a powerplant, or somewhere on the North York Moors ?

You need something to begin calculating with -- mainly strengths and directions of stray magnetic fields, and the full layout of ground wiring that functions as antenna -- and that's generally not easy to set up.
 
Kevin J said:
how do you mathematically calculate this voltage drop?
There is nothing fundamental about this - it depends on the circuit and how it is being used,
You would need to measure the resistances in the circuit and also know the likely currents that would be flowing.
The resistances of the cables can be estimated from their lengths and thicknesses and there will probably be data about the likely resistance of the cable joints. Also, in a three phase system, there can be unbalanced neutral current at the transformer which can produce an inherent neutral voltage. Note - this remark depends on the particular supply layout and where "the transformer" happens to be. If the transformer is part of the Consumer's Installation, high imbalanced volts are very likely because there can be a big difference between the loads on the two legs of a 'split phase' system.
But don't go there unless you want to get involved with a massive subject with many many variations. :wink:
 
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I thought it was a basic v=ir equation, but nope, that seems complicated[emoji23]
 
Kevin J said:
I thought it was a basic v=ir equation, but nope, that seems complicated[emoji23]
It requires knowledge of which R and which I. :wink:
Thing is, in a three phase system, the Neutral conductor would, ideally, carry no current because the three phases would carry equal net (load balanced) currents. Any imbalance will cause a Neutral Voltage to appear (Unbalanced Current X Neutral line Resistance). Same in a Split Phase domestic system, where two equal loads will produce Zero Neutral current.
But something to make you feel better is that the way the Power / Energy is metered, you only pay for the Energy you have actually used in your devices. Losses in the supply cables are, of course, paid for by somebody but that cost is divided up between all users in the unit cost. Remote users actually get pretty good value because of the Energy dissipated in their long supply cables is paid for by all of us.
And the point made by @BvU is also relevant. EM waves are radiating away from every AC circuit.
 
Kevin is no longer with us, so this thread can be closed now. Thanks for your replies. :smile:
 

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