How Do You Determine Gain and Parameters from a Bode Plot?

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The discussion focuses on determining gain and parameters from a Bode plot using the transfer function G(s) = k/(s² + 2ζωₙs + ωₙ²). The user successfully calculates the steady-state response for u(t) = cos(2t) and identifies the cutoff frequencies as 8 and 10.1 rad/sec, leading to a bandwidth calculation. The natural frequency is concluded to be 10 rad/sec, with a damping ratio of 0.105 and a gain of 10. However, discrepancies in the magnitude of the Bode plot indicate potential errors in the gain calculation.

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Homework Statement



Transfer function:
G(s) =\frac{k}{s^{2}+2\varsigma\omega_{n}s+\omega_{n}^{2}}

a) if u(t) = cos(2t), find the steady state response
b) determine the values for k, damping ratio (\varsigma), and the natural frequency.

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I know how to find the steady state response by finding G(wj) where w = 2 from the input function. However, I can't seem to find the correct values for k, damping ratio, and the natural frequency.

first I found the cut off magnitudes from the bode plot by multiplying the largest magnitude (40) by (1/\sqrt{2}, to obtain the magnitude of the cut off frequencies to be approx. 28.28db. and found the cut off frequencies to be 8 and 10.1 rad/sec, which allows the Bandwidth to be determined by subtracting the two cut off frequencies.

I believe the natural frequency should be 10, since it is also the center frequency, and I found the damping ration to be 0.105 by dividing the bandwidth by 2 times the natural frequency. And I think the gain should be 10.

my transfer function
G(s) =\frac{10}{s^{2}+2.1s+100}

when I find the bode plot of this function it looks similar to the provided plot, but the magnitude is off.
 

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It's been a while I've done these, hopefully I'm not terribly wrong here as it's not quite my area of specialty. At least I got the image plotted in Matlab and it is indeed exactly the same.

Anyway, setting s = 0, you immediately see that the low pass gain ought to be k/w_n^2. Yours is 1/10, which, if my math is right, gives -20 dB gain rather than 20 dB as shown in the figure.

Phase -90 is quite special. Use that to get a second relation between the parameters. Finally I'd proceed to check what value and where |G| gets as its maximum to find the third and last relation between the parameters. You ought to get nice integers as answers (well, the damping parameter is a reciprocal of one).
 

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