How Do You Estimate a Value for 1/tan(1/1000) Without a Calculator?

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The discussion revolves around estimating a value for \( a \) in the context of an improper integral involving the function \( \frac{1}{1 + x^{2}} \). Participants are exploring the relationship between the integral's limit and the arctangent function, specifically how to manipulate the inequality to find a suitable value for \( a \).

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the evaluation of the integral and the implications of using the arctangent function. There are questions about the correctness of the steps taken to derive the inequality and the interpretation of the results. Some participants suggest alternative ways to express the relationship between \( a \) and the arctangent function.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and corrections to each other's reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the manipulation of the inequality and the use of trigonometric identities. There is a recognition of differing interpretations of the calculations, particularly concerning the use of calculators and approximations.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention constraints related to calculator use during tests, which influences their approach to estimating values. There is also a focus on small angle approximations and series expansions as potential methods for deriving results without computational tools.

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Homework Statement



Determine how large the number a has to be so that:

[tex]\int_{a}^{\infty} \frac{1}{1 + x^{2}} dx < 0.001[/tex]

Homework Equations



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The Attempt at a Solution



I tried to evaluate the left hand side and got a final answer of:

[tex]a > \frac{\pi}{2} - \frac{1}{1000}[/tex]

but the correct answer was 1000:confused:

I think these 2 steps in my working out might be the problem:

from [tex]tan(arctan(a)) > \frac{\pi}{2} - \frac{1}{1000}[/tex] to:

[tex]arctan(a) > \frac{\pi}{2} - \frac{1}{1000}[/tex]

[tex]a > \frac{\pi}{2} - \frac{1}{1000}[/tex]
 
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Why did you write tan(arctan(a))? Since the indefinite integral is just arctan(x), and arctan(x) ->pi/2 as x->infinity, you should just write pi/2-arctan(a)<.001, or arctan(a)>pi/2-.001. Do you know how to solve this?
 
The last 3 lines do not continue from each other at all. Firstly, how did you get tan(arctan(a))? How does this continue on to get just arctan(a) and then simply a?
 
Sorry I made a mistake in the post. I have corrected the question.
 
My last post was ambiguous. I meant I had corrected the mistake when I typed the question. Could someone please check my working?
 
Perform the integral to obtain:
[tex] \int_{a}^{\infty}\frac{dx}{1+x^{2}}=\tan^{-1}(\infty )-\tan^{-1}a=\frac{\pi}{2}-\tan^{-1}a<0.001[/tex]
Then re-arrange to obtain:
[tex] \tan^{-1}a>\frac{\pi}{2}-0.001[/tex]
Take tan to obtain the answer...
 
TsAmE said:
My last post was ambiguous. I meant I had corrected the mistake when I typed the question. Could someone please check my working?

I don't see any change in your original post. Your last 3 lines of working are still wrong.
hunt_mat has given the answer.
 
Mentallic said:
I don't see any change in your original post. Your last 3 lines of working are still wrong.
hunt_mat has given the answer.

I reached the same answer as hunt as in:

arctan of [tex]> \frac{\pi}{2} - \frac{1}{1000}[/tex]

and tried solving for a only to get:

[tex]a > \frac{\pi}{2} - \frac{1}{1000}[/tex]

I don't see how I can get an answer of 1000 when there is a pi/2 - 0.001

My latex code is giving me problems when I try to edit it so that's probably why you didnt see my correction.
 
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So take tan of what I wrote down:
[tex] a>\tan\Bigg(\frac{\pi}{2}-\frac{1}{1000}\Bigg) =\frac{1}{\tan (1/1000)}\approx 1000[/tex]
That is how you finish off the calculation.
 
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hunt_mat said:
So take tan of what I wrote down:
[tex] a>\tan\Bigg(\frac{\pi}{2}-\frac{1}{1000}\Bigg) =\frac{1}{\tan (1/1000)}\approx 1000[/tex]
That is how you finish off the calculation.

With respect to the inequality why is a > and not < ? Do you swap the sign around when you use the inverse trig function?

Also [tex]a>\tan\Bigg(\frac{\pi}{2}-\frac{1}{1000}\Bigg) =[/tex] 0.0274... on my calculator as opposed to 1000?:confused:
 
  • #11
You use:
[tex] \tan x=\frac{\sin x}{\cos x}[/tex]
And then you note:
[tex] \sin\Bigg(\frac{\pi}{2}-\frac{1}{1000}\Bigg) =\cos\Bigg(\frac{1}{1000}\Bigg)[/tex]
and
[tex] \cos\Bigg(\frac{\pi}{2}-\frac{1}{1000}\Bigg) =\sin\Bigg(\frac{1}{1000}\Bigg)[/tex]
So you get the same as before, for small x, we have the following:
[tex] \tan x\approx x[/tex]
Regarding the inequality, tan x is an increasing function, so the inequality remains the same, regarding your calculator, I think you may have entered the sum incorrectly.
 
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TsAmE said:
With respect to the inequality why is a > and not < ? Do you swap the sign around when you use the inverse trig function?
I don't understand why you think it would be < ?
You already had [itex]arctan(a)>\pi/2-0.001[/itex] so why would it suddenly change sign?

TsAmE said:
Also [tex]a>\tan\Bigg(\frac{\pi}{2}-\frac{1}{1000}\Bigg) =[/tex] 0.0274... on my calculator as opposed to 1000?:confused:

Your calculator is set in degrees and you want radians.
 
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Thanks I now see where I went wrong. One last thing I want to know is how would you know that [tex]\frac{1}{\tan (1/1000)}\approx 1000[/tex] without using a calculator, cause I am not allowed to use calculators in my tests.
 
  • #14
Use a Maclaurin series to show that:
[tex] \tan x =x+o(x),\quad \sin x=x+o(x),\quad\cos x=1-\frac{x^{2}}{2}+o(x^{2})[/tex]
 
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TsAmE said:
Thanks I now see where I went wrong. One last thing I want to know is how would you know that [tex]\frac{1}{\tan (1/1000)}\approx 1000[/tex] without using a calculator, cause I am not allowed to use calculators in my tests.

For small x, [itex]x\approx tan(x)[/itex] so [tex]\frac{1}{tan(1/1000)}\approx \frac{1}{1/1000}=1000[/tex]
 

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