How do you integrate dirac delta functions?

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The discussion revolves around the integration of Dirac delta functions, specifically the integral of δ(x³ - 4x² - 7x + 10) over the interval from negative to positive infinity. Participants are exploring the implications of the polynomial's roots and how they contribute to the integral's value.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the roots of the polynomial and their contributions to the integral. There is uncertainty about which roots to consider and how to apply known relationships involving delta functions, particularly in relation to simpler cases like δ(x² - 5).

Discussion Status

Some participants are providing guidance on identifying relevant roots and applying the properties of delta functions. There is an ongoing exploration of how to handle the polynomial's degree and the implications for the integration process, with no clear consensus reached yet.

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Participants are grappling with the complexity of a third-order polynomial and how it affects the integration of the delta function, including confusion about the treatment of negative roots and the application of specific delta function properties.

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Homework Statement


∫δ(x3 - 4x2- 7x +10)dx. Between ±∞.

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Well I don't really know how to attempt this. In the case where inside the delta function there is simply 2x, or 5x, I know the answer would be 1/2 or 1/5. Or for say δ(x^2-5), the answer would be 1/√5.
But I'm unsure how to go about this one. Wolfram Alpha states the answer is 1/6. Tried to factor the polynomial which results in (x-1)(x+2)(x-5). But that doesn't seem to help either.

Any guidance would be great thanks!
 
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You are on the right track. You now know what points give a contribution (the roots of the polynomial) if they are inside your integration interval.

Now, do you remember where the factor 1/sqrt5 comes from in the case of x^2-5?
 
Are you saying that I should only consider the (x-5) and (x-1) roots? Would that then result in the answer being 1/6? Why would I not consider the negative root? :S
I know this relation exists:

∫dx⋅f(x)⋅δ(ax+b) = 1/|a|⋅f(-a-1b). (sorry for the formatting) (limits ±∞ again)

Which I understand makes sense for say δ(2x). Not quite sure how √5 is a in δ(x^2-5). But I get the system. Then I'm really confused for the 3 order polynomial above.

https://www.physicsforums.com/file:///page36image21544 https://www.physicsforums.com/file:///page36image21704
 
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KeithKp said:
Are you saying that I should only consider the (x-5) and (x-1) roots? Would that then result in the answer being 1/6? Why would I not consider the negative root? :S
I know this relation exists:

∫dx⋅f(x)⋅δ(ax+b) = 1/|a|⋅f(-a-1b). (sorry for the formatting) (limits ±∞ again)

Which I understand makes sense for say δ(2x). Not quite sure how √5 is a in δ(x^2-5). But I get the system. Then I'm really confused for the 3 order polynomial above.

I can see i take the positive root for x^2-5, is that the same thinking for taking (x-5) and (x-1) above? But why is that?https://www.physicsforums.com/file:///page36image21544 https://www.physicsforums.com/file:///page36image21704

[tex]\delta(x^2-5) = \delta((x-\sqrt{5})(x + \sqrt{5})) = \delta(2 \sqrt{5} (x - \sqrt{5}) + \delta(-2 \sqrt{5}(x + \sqrt{5}))[/tex]
 
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Ray Vickson said:
[tex]\delta(x^2-5) = \delta((x-\sqrt{5})(x + \sqrt{5})) = \delta(2 \sqrt{5} (x - \sqrt{5}) + \delta(-2 \sqrt{5}(x + \sqrt{5}))[/tex]
...Thank you, I'm an idiot.
 

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