How do you solve eq. that have both exponents and polynomials

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The discussion centers on the problem of finding the number of real solutions for the equation 2^x = -x^2 - 2x, exploring methods for solving equations that involve both exponents and polynomials. Participants discuss various approaches, including graphical methods and analytical reasoning.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes difficulty in isolating x and mentions using Wolfram Alpha, which provided two solutions and a graph, but expresses uncertainty about an algorithm for solving such equations.
  • Another participant states that there is no nice, analytic way to solve the equation.
  • One participant suggests using the Intermediate Value Theorem to determine the number of zeroes of the function.
  • A further contribution discusses a method involving derivatives to analyze the function 2^x + x^2 + 2x = 0, indicating that the function has at most two solutions based on the behavior of its derivatives.
  • This participant also explores the conditions under which the left-hand side of the equation can be negative, concluding that there are two solutions and providing bounds for their locations.
  • A link to Wolfram Alpha is shared for further exploration of the equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the methods for solving the equation, with some advocating for graphical approaches while others emphasize analytical techniques. There is no consensus on a definitive method for solving such equations.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the limitations of their approaches, including the dependence on the behavior of derivatives and the need for specific conditions to determine the number of solutions.

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The question was: How many real number solutions are there for 2^x=-x^2-2x. I tired for an hour to isolate x but i couldn't do it. Then i used wolfram alpha and it gave me two solutions and graph. I realized that question was, how many not what are the solutions, and i could do that by graphing. But i still can't figure out algorithm for solving this type of equation.
 
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There is no nice, analytic way to solve the equation.
 
Intermediate value theorem is very powerful, you can use this to figure out the number of zeroes.
 
If you want to be really hardcore about this you can do this without ever knowing how to graph any of these functions, just by knowing they are suitably differentiable. For example

We want to find 2^x + x^2+ 2x = 0

Between every 0 of this function, the function has to change from increasing to decreasing. So the derivative needs to have a zero between each function. Taking the derivative
\ln(2) 2^x + 2x + 2 = 0

OK, between each of the zeros here the derivative has to be zero. So we take the second derivative
\ln(2)^2 2^x + 2 = 0
This has no solutions because the left hand side is always positive. So this means that
\ln(2) 2^x + 2x + 2 = 0
has at most one solution. We can observe that it has at least one solution because plugging in x=-infinity and x=infinity it changes from positive to negative. This means that
tex] 2^x + x^2+ 2x = 0 [/tex]
Can have at most two solutions. If x is incredibly large in magnitude (negative or positive), then the function is positive, so there are two zeros if we can find an x making the left hand side negative, and no zeros if we can never make the left hand side negative.

How can we perform this search for a value of x making 2^x + x^2 + 2x negative? Well, the 2x is positive, as is x2. Ff x is very far from 0 (negative), then 2x is negligible and the x2 is the dominating positive term. So we can find bounds on where any potential negative value come from by checking:
x^2 + 2x > 0
Occurs whenever x < -2
So we need to find a number between -2 and 0 making the function 0. As a first guess we try x = -1
2^{-1} + (-1)^2 - 2 = -1/2 &lt; 0
And we've shown there are two solutions! Even better we now know that one of them is between -2 and -1, and the other is between -1 and 0
 

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