How Do You Solve for Position x(t) Given a Force Dependent on Velocity?

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The discussion revolves around solving for the position x(t) of a particle subjected to a force that depends on its velocity, specifically F(v) = bv². Participants explore the integration process and the application of initial conditions in the context of classical mechanics.

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  • One participant presents the equation of motion derived from the force and attempts to integrate to find x(t), expressing confusion about the use of constants during integration.
  • Another participant questions the derivation of the initial equation m*dv/dx*v = -bv², suggesting a need for clarification on the application of Newton's second law.
  • A different participant provides a clarification on the relationship between differentials, stating that dv/dx*v can be expressed as dv/dt = a, linking it to acceleration.
  • One participant advises on the use of constants during integration, indicating that the lower limits correspond to initial conditions, while the upper limits remain unknowns to be determined from the integral.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion contains multiple viewpoints regarding the integration process and the application of initial conditions, with no consensus reached on the correct approach to solving for x(t).

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Participants express uncertainty about the integration constants and their roles in the equations, highlighting potential dependencies on initial conditions and the need for further clarification on the derivation of the initial equations.

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A particle of mass m is subject to a force F(v) = bv^2. The initial position is zero, and the initial speed is vi find x(t)

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m*dv/dx*v = -bv^2
m*dv/dx = -bv
integral m/-bv*dv = integral dx
m/-b*ln(v) + a = x + b

What do I do with the constants? i thought i was suppose to put in 'a' as vi and b as 0, but then when i integrate again for v, so i can get x(t) function, what do i use to fill in that constant?
 
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Where does m*dv/dx*v = -bv^2 come from? Newton's second law of motion implies F=m*dv/dt.
 
dv/dx*v=dv/dx*dx/dt = dv/dt = a
 
OK. You use your constants in the integrations: the lower constant on the dx integral is the starting location = 0, and the lower constant on the dv integral is the initial velocity = v_i.

The upper constants are the unknowns ... your integral equation will provide a relation between them.
 

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