How Do You Transform the Matrix of a Linear Map Between Different Bases?

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The problem involves a linear transformation T from R² to R², represented by a specific matrix with respect to the standard basis. The task is to find the matrix representation of T with respect to a different basis defined by a given matrix B.

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  • Participants discuss the formula for transforming the matrix of a linear map between different bases, questioning the validity of the original formula presented. There are attempts to clarify the relationship between the standard basis and the new basis, as well as how to express vectors in terms of different bases.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of the transformation process. Some have provided insights into the notation and the conceptual framework for changing bases, while others are attempting to reconcile their understanding of the transformation with the mathematical expressions involved.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the definitions of bases and matrices, with some participants noting that the matrix B should represent vectors rather than a transformation. The original poster has referenced external documents for clarity, suggesting that the problem may not be fully self-contained.

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Homework Statement



Suppose that T : R2 → R2 is linear and has matrix

-2 1
5 2

with respect to the standard basis S of R2.

B = 1 1
5 6

(B is another poorly constructed matrix)

What is the matrix of T with respect to B?

Homework Equations



T_{C,B} = (T_{C,S})^{-1}I_{B,S}

The Attempt at a Solution



Please see the pdf called q6b

Also to see the question better presented look at problems1.pdf. Go to Problem sheet 3 question 6b
 

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sorry guys, I should point out that

the answer to the question should be

3 7
0 -3

which I don't seem to be getting
 
JamesGoh said:
T_{C,B} = (T_{C,S})^{-1}I_{B,S}

That is wrong. A matrix in a new basis B is IBS-1T IBS

ehild
 
When you say T, do you mean T with respect to the standard basis ?
 
ehild said:
That is wrong. A matrix in a new basis B is IBS-1T IBS

ehild


In terms of basis reference, does your formula do the following (in terms of matrix composition)

1. You create the identity map of matrix B with respect to the standard basis

2. You multiply the B identity map with T to create a new matrix with respect
to the standard basis ?

3. You multiply the result of step 2 with the inverse of the identity map in step 1 to get the answer with respect to B
 
With respect to the standard basis T=Ts, and Tb=IBS-1Ts IBS is the matrix of the linear transformation in the new basis.

Think: The new basic vectors b1, b2 are B times the standard basic vectors. Edit: With "B"I denoted the matrix with columns equal to the basic vectors b1 and b2. And you get beck the standard basic vectors by multiplying b1, b2 by B-1.
T transforms the basic vectors of B into vectors Tb1 and Tb2, defined in the standard basis. You need to express these vectors in terms of the new basis, so apply B-1 to them.
 
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JamesGoh said:
In terms of basis reference, does your formula do the following (in terms of matrix composition)

1. You create the identity map of matrix B with respect to the standard basis

2. You multiply the B identity map with T to create a new matrix with respect
to the standard basis ?

3. You multiply the result of step 2 with the inverse of the identity map in step 1 to get the answer with respect to B

You explained it very well.:smile: Yes. that is what I wanted to do, but I could not express myself so well.

ehild
 
Just a word about notation: It does not really make sense to ask about the matrix of a linear transformation "with respect to" another matrix. In your attached pdf files, B is NOT a matrix, it is two vectors, a new basis for R^2.

Another way to find the matrix of a linear transformation with respect to a given (ordered) basis is: Apply the linear transformation to the each basis vector in turn. Write the result as a linear combination of the basis vectors. The coefficients give the columns of the matrix.
 
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Thanks, HallsofIvy. I know that I cannot mix vectors with transformations...I just used that the matrix that transforms the standard basis into a new basis has columns equal to the new basic vectors.
I hope, I am right... Being a physicist, I use Maths a bit sloppy way.
 
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JamesGoh said:

Homework Statement



Suppose that T : R2 → R2 is linear and has matrix

-2 1
5 2

with respect to the standard basis S of R2.

B = 1 1
5 6

(B is another poorly constructed matrix)

What is the matrix of T with respect to B?

Homework Equations



T_{C,B} = (T_{C,S})^{-1}I_{B,S}

The Attempt at a Solution



Please see the pdf called q6b

Also to see the question better presented look at problems1.pdf. Go to Problem sheet 3 question 6b

If the standard basis is e1=[1 0]^t and e2=[0 1]^t (^t = transpose) and b1=[1 5]^t, b2 = [1 6]^t, you can express e1 and e2 as linear combinations of b1 and b2, just by solving the equations b1=e1+5*e2 and e2=e1+6*e2 for e1 and e2; you can do this just as though the e's and b's were real variables instead of vectors---the algebra does not care what they are. A vector v = x1*b1 + x2*b2 can thus be written in terms of basis {e1,e2}, say as y1*e1+y2*e2, with y1,y2 = known linear combinations of x1,x2. Applying the matrix A = [[-2 1],[5 2]]to v = y1*e1+y2*e2 gives (-2y1+y2)*e1+(5y1+2y2)*e2. Now back-substitute for the yi in terms of the xi and for the ej in terms of the bj. You should get the result Tv = (3x1+7x2)*b1+(-3x2)*b2. Therefore, the matrix representation of T in the basis {b1,b2} is [[3 7],[0 -3]]. Once you have grasped these concepts through some simple examples, done step-by-laborious-step, then you can more successfully see where the matrix formulae come from and what they mean.

RGV
 

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