Matrix of linear transformation

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The discussion revolves around a linear transformation defined on the space of second-order polynomials, specifically examining the matrix representation of this transformation with respect to different bases. The original poster seeks to find conditions on the coefficients of a given matrix to represent the transformation accurately.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between the matrix of a linear map in different bases and question how to derive a suitable basis that yields the desired matrix form. There are attempts to relate the transformation's matrix to standard and alternative bases, with inquiries about properties of linear maps that remain consistent across bases.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and hints regarding the properties of linear transformations and their matrix representations. Some participants suggest exploring the relationship between matrices of the same linear map under different bases, while others question the correctness of assumptions made about the bases involved.

Contextual Notes

There are constraints regarding the choice of basis and the requirement that certain coefficients must not equal zero. The original poster expresses uncertainty about whether guessing a proper basis is necessary or if there is a systematic way to determine one.

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Homework Statement


Let A:\mathbb R_2[x]\rightarrow \mathbb R_2[x] is a linear transformation defined as (A(p))(x)=p&#039;(x+1) where \mathbb R_2[x] is the space of polynomials of the second order. Find all a,b,c\in\mathbb R such that the matrix \begin{bmatrix}<br /> a &amp; 1 &amp; 0 \\<br /> b &amp; 0 &amp; 1 \\<br /> c &amp; 0 &amp; 0 \\<br /> \end{bmatrix} is the matrix of linear transformation A with respect to some arbitrary basis of \mathbb R_2[x].

Homework Equations


-Polynomial vector space
-Basis

The Attempt at a Solution


If we choose the standard basis, \mathcal B=\{1,x,x^2\}\Rightarrow p(x)=\alpha+\beta x+\gamma x^2,\alpha,\beta,\gamma\in\mathbb R\Rightarrow (A(p))(x)=\beta+(\beta+2\gamma)x+2\gamma x^2\Rightarrow

A(1)=0x^2+0x+1,A(x)=0x^2+1x+1,A(x^2)=2x^2+0x+0

Setting A(1),A(x),A(x^2) as column vectors gives the matrix \begin{bmatrix}<br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 2 \\<br /> 0 &amp; 1 &amp; 0 \\<br /> 1 &amp; 1 &amp; 0 \\<br /> \end{bmatrix} that is not of the form of given matrix \begin{bmatrix}<br /> a &amp; 1 &amp; 0 \\<br /> b &amp; 0 &amp; 1 \\<br /> c &amp; 0 &amp; 0 \\<br /> \end{bmatrix}.

This means that we can't choose the standard basis to get matrix of A that will be of the form \begin{bmatrix}<br /> a &amp; 1 &amp; 0 \\<br /> b &amp; 0 &amp; 1 \\<br /> c &amp; 0 &amp; 0 \\<br /> \end{bmatrix}.

Question: Do we have to guess a proper basis? If not, then how to find one?
 
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What is the relation between the matrix of a linear map in one basis and the matrix of the same linear map in another basis?
 
Alternatively, do you know a property of linear maps which is independent of the basis?
 
micromass said:
What is the relation between the matrix of a linear map in one basis and the matrix of the same linear map in another basis?
Let B=\{b_1,b_2,b_3\} is a standard basis, and B&#039;=\{{b&#039;}_1,{b&#039;}_2,{b&#039;}_3\}.
Matrix of changing basis from B to B&#039; is defined as S=[[b_1]_{B&#039;},...,[{b&#039;}_n]_{B&#039;}].

Finding [b_1]_{B&#039;},...,[{b&#039;}_n]_{B&#039;} gives matrix S.

This should be the reversed process, right? We know vectors [b_1]_{B&#039;},...,[{b&#039;}_n]_{B&#039;} in some basis,
and we need to find b_1,...,b_n from basis B.
 
Right, but that is not my point. Let's say I give you two matrices ##A## and ##B## which are matrices of the same linear map but with different bases. Do you know anything about how ##A## and ##B## are related? Does similarity tell you something?
 
micromass said:
Right, but that is not my point. Let's say I give you two matrices ##A## and ##B## which are matrices of the same linear map but with different bases. Do you know anything about how ##A## and ##B## are related? Does similarity tell you something?
If B is the matrix after transition to new basis, then B=A^{-1}?
 
@micromass The only condition is c\neq 0 since from b_1=1,b_2=x,b_3=x^2 follows {b&#039;}_1=x,{b&#039;}_2=x^2,{b&#039;}_3=\frac{1-ax-bx^2}{c}.
Is this correct?
 
ATTEMPT EDITED:

Let p(x)=a+bx+cx^2 be a polynomial in standard basis \mathcal B=\{1,x,x^2\} of \mathbb R^2[x].
Then, linear transformation A is defined as

(A(p))(x)=p&#039;(x+1)=(2+b)+2cx+0x^2

From the given matrix, \begin{bmatrix}<br /> a &amp; 1 &amp; 0 \\<br /> b &amp; 0 &amp; 1 \\<br /> c &amp; 0 &amp; 0 \\<br /> \end{bmatrix}

we have

[b_1]_{B&#039;}= \begin{bmatrix}<br /> a \\<br /> b \\<br /> c \\<br /> \end{bmatrix},[b_2]_{B&#039;}= \begin{bmatrix}<br /> 1 \\<br /> 0 \\<br /> 0 \\<br /> \end{bmatrix},[b_3]_{B&#039;}= \begin{bmatrix}<br /> 0 \\<br /> 1 \\<br /> 0 \\<br /> \end{bmatrix}

where \mathcal {B&#039;} is some basis different from standard basis \mathcal B.

Now, we have

b_1=a\cdot {b&#039;}_1+b\cdot {b&#039;}_2+c\cdot {b&#039;}_3

b_2=1\cdot {b&#039;}_1+0\cdot {b&#039;}_2+0\cdot {b&#039;}_3

b_3=0\cdot {b&#039;}_1+1\cdot {b&#039;}_2+0\cdot {b&#039;}_3

where b_1,b_2,b_3 form standard basis \mathcal B, and
{b&#039;}_1,{b&#039;}_2,{b&#039;}_3 form new basis \mathcal{B&#039;}.

From above equations,

{b&#039;}_1=x

{b&#039;}_2=x^2

{b&#039;}_3=\frac{1-ax-bx^2}{c},c\neq 0

and we have \mathcal{B&#039;}=\left\{x,x^2,\frac{1-ax-bx^2}{c}\right\}.

Now we need to find the matrix of linear transformation A with respect to basis \mathcal{B&#039;}.

\begin{bmatrix}<br /> a &amp; 1 &amp; 0\\<br /> b &amp; 0 &amp; 1\\<br /> c &amp; 0 &amp; 0\\<br /> \end{bmatrix} \begin{bmatrix}<br /> 2+b \\<br /> 2c \\<br /> 0 \\<br /> \end{bmatrix} =\begin{bmatrix}<br /> 2a+ab+2c \\<br /> 2b+b^2 \\<br /> 2c+bc \\<br /> \end{bmatrix}

Linear transformation A in basis \mathcal B&#039; is given by

((A(p))(x))&#039;=(2a+ab+2c)x+b(2+b)x^2+c(2+b)\frac{1-ax-bx^2}{c}

=(2a+ab+2c)x+b(2+b)x^2+(2+b)(1-ax-bx^2)

Conclusion: For all a,b and for all c\neq 0, the matrix given by \begin{bmatrix}<br /> a &amp; 1 &amp; 0 \\<br /> b &amp; 0 &amp; 1 \\<br /> c &amp; 0 &amp; 0 \\<br /> \end{bmatrix} is the matrix of linear transformation A in some basis \mathcal B&#039;.

Is this correct?
 
@gruba, this is a pretty strong hint:
micromass said:
Do you know anything about how AAA and BBB are related? Does similarity tell you something?
 
  • #10
Mark44 said:
@gruba, this is a pretty strong hint:

So, is it correct that one is the inverse of the other?
 
  • #11
gruba said:
So, is it correct that one is the inverse of the other?
No.
 

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