How does a faucet use the Venturi principle

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of the Venturi principle in the context of faucet operation, specifically examining how water velocity and flow rate are affected by varying the opening size of a faucet. Participants explore concepts related to fluid dynamics, pressure, and flow characteristics in both theoretical and practical scenarios.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants observe that a slight opening of the faucet results in less water flow, questioning the relationship between opening size and velocity.
  • One participant suggests that the velocity at the spigot outlet should be compared to the velocity in the supply pipe, which is slower, rather than to other valve settings.
  • Another participant notes that the velocity is expected to be higher at the restriction in a Venturi tube, specifically at the vena contracta.
  • There is a discussion about the pressure in domestic water supplies being relatively constant, with variations occurring based on water usage within a property.
  • One participant proposes that the flow rate should remain constant according to the principle of continuity in fluid dynamics, despite changes in velocity at the valve.
  • Another participant mentions the analogy of a hose with a spray head to illustrate changes in velocity due to restrictions.
  • Several participants express uncertainty about the relationship between pressure drop and velocity changes across the nozzle.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the effects of faucet opening size on water velocity and flow rate. While some concepts are acknowledged, there is no consensus on the precise dynamics at play, particularly concerning the impact of pressure and area changes.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for clarity regarding assumptions about pressure constancy and the effects of varying nozzle area on flow characteristics. There are references to specific fluid dynamics principles, but the discussion remains open-ended without definitive conclusions.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals studying fluid dynamics, engineering students, or anyone curious about the practical applications of the Venturi principle in everyday scenarios like faucet operation.

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I've noticed that a slight opening of the faucet releases less water which makes sense intuitively but I don't notice an increase in velocity. Since a slight opening in the stopper would be a convergence in cross sectional area. Am I missing something? I read about resistance affect but still thought I would ask the question.
 
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Good question. But remember that the velocity at the spigot outlet should be compared to the velocity in the supply pipe, which IS much slower. It should not be compared to the velocity of some other valve setting, where all velocities are higher or lower.
 
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Good question. But remember that the velocity at the spigot outlet should be compared to the velocity in the supply pipe, which IS much slower. It should not be compared to the velocity of some other valve setting, where all velocities are higher or lower.
So I guess it's like I suspected? If the supply pipe is much slower than the velocity at the spigot outlet? I would just be interested bc I'm trying to learn more about fluid dynamics.
 
TheWonderer1 said:
I've noticed that a slight opening of the faucet releases less water which makes sense intuitively but I don't notice an increase in velocity. Since a slight opening in the stopper would be a convergence in cross sectional area. Am I missing something?
WHERE is the velocity higher in a Venturi tube?
 
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So I guess it's like I suspected? If the supply pipe is much slower than the velocity at the spigot outlet? I would just be interested bc I'm trying to learn more about fluid dynamics.
I should have said the velocity within the valve restriction. Once the water gets beyond that and into the larger spigot pipe, it will slow down again.
 
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WHERE is the velocity higher in a Venturi tube?
At the restriction, I believe at the vena contracta to be exact is where it has the least diameter and max velocity. I see that I was over thinking it.
 
TheWonderer1 said:
At the restriction, I believe at the vena contracta to be exact is where it has the least diameter and max velocity. I see that I was over thinking it.
Right, so in a faucet, the opening is full size and the restriction is at the valve...which you can't see, but might be able to hear.
 
In most domestic water supplies the pressure in the primary mains does not usually vary much in the short term .

Pressure may vary more within a connected property depending on how much water is being used but assume that your faucet is the only one that is turned on at the time of your experiment .

So you effectively have a constant pressure water source and a variable area nozzle . What conclusion can you reach about the flow velocity and the flow rate of water through the nozzle as the nozzle area is varied ?
 
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It's my understanding at this point that the velocity would only change at the valve. If the pressure is constant except at the valve and the velocity decreases soon after the valve, it seems I was over thinking the image in my head.

I think according to the principle of contuity in fluid dynamics, the flow rate should stay the same. Pressure getting slightly lower usually means a transfer of energy so more kinetic energy. Therefore, a slight change in velocity at that point but the increase is dampened by the return to normal pressure levels. Overall, the velocity should remain constant as it flows out of the faucet. By the way, I am assuming this from articles telling me that flow rate can only change through a force or change in mass. I got to thinking about it since I noticed a smaller stream but velocity doesn't increase by a noticeable amount. I assume a smaller area at the valve would mean that a smaller stream comes out. Obviously, this needs to be case since it happens via observation that the stream cross section area is not as wide.
 
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Can you write down any simple formula showing how the velocity of water through the nozzle varies with the pressure drop across the nozzle ?
 
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TheWonderer1 said:
It's my understanding at this point that the velocity would only change at the valve. If the pressure is constant except at the valve and the velocity decreases soon after the valve, it seems I was over thinking the image in my head.
Yes. A better example would be a hose with a spray head. There the increased velocity of the water coming out of the restriction is very easy to see. (Or just putting your thumb over part of the end of a hose.)
 

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