Understanding the Venturi Effect

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The discussion revolves around the Venturi effect, specifically addressing the relationship between fluid velocity and pressure in a constricted flow area. Participants explore the theoretical underpinnings and implications of this phenomenon, seeking clarification on the mechanics involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the Venturi effect, initially believing that pressure should increase in a constricted area.
  • Another participant explains that the increase in fluid velocity must be accompanied by a pressure difference, referencing steady state conditions and the complexities of fluid dynamics.
  • A participant acknowledges understanding that velocity increases and pressure decreases, but admits to struggling with the concept.
  • Another contribution emphasizes the need for pressure maintenance at the entry and exit points of flow, noting that pressure dynamics differ before, during, and after the constriction.
  • One participant discusses the relationship between static pressure, dynamic pressure, and the assumptions required for Bernoulli's equation, suggesting that changes in flow velocity affect static pressure.
  • A later reply suggests reviewing Bernoulli's equation for further understanding, while advising to ignore unrelated sections about lift.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a mix of understanding and confusion regarding the Venturi effect, with no consensus reached on the mechanics involved. Multiple viewpoints on the relationship between pressure and velocity are presented, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight assumptions related to steady state conditions and the need for pressure maintenance, which may not be fully resolved within the discussion.

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I know that the Venturi effect creates an area of higher fluid velocity with a lower pressure. However I'm having a hard time wrapping my brain around this. I would think that if a fluid passes through a contricted area, pressure would increase. Can someone explain?
 
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Have you searched for the term Venturi Effect? What have you learned so far?
Bottom line explanation is that, if the fluid ends up going faster then it must have had a pressure difference to accelerate it. This reasoning is based on the steady state condition, after the system has settled down - just like the 'how does a resistor know what current to let through?' type questions. What happens during the transition in all these situations is much harder to appreciate. Sort out one thing at a time.
 
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Basically I know that velocity increases and pressure decreases in order for the fluid to pass through the Venturi. But...my mind goes the opposite way haha. I'll have to let your explanation sink in :smile:
 
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Sundog said:
But...my mind goes the opposite way haha
Same for everybody to start with, I think.
 
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What's missing here is something has to maintain the pressure at the "entry" and "exit" points of a flow. Generally, depending on the source of the pressure, an unrestricted flow will have less pressure than a restricted flow, but the higher pressure related to a restricted flow occurs prior to the restriction, and it's only within the constriction that the velocity increases and the pressure decreases. Once beyond the constricted section, the velocity decreases and the pressure increases, but there needs to be something to maintain the pressure beyond the restriction, and in order to have a steady non accelerating mass flow within a pipe of constant diameter except for the restriction, the pressure before and after the restriction needs to be the same, and something needs to maintain that pressure.

Consider that static pressure is related to the random collisions between molecules of a fluid or gas, and between those molecules and the inner walls of a pipe. Assume that the total mechanical energy is constant, which is an assumption required for Bernoulli's equation. If there is a net velocity of the flow, then some component of the mechanical energy is related to the net velocity (this would be dynamic pressure * volume). The higher the net velocity, the lower the components of velocity perpendicular to the flow, so that the "randomness" of the flow is "reduced", the flow is more "organized". The static pressure is changed when the net flow velocity is changed, if the net flow velocity increases, then the static pressure decreases and dynamic pressure increases (total pressure = static + dynamic pressure remains constant) assuming no outside work is done during the transition.
 
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I'll really have to let that sink in
 

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