How does alternating current travel anywhere?

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The discussion centers around the mechanics of alternating current (AC) and how it powers home appliances. Participants explore the nature of current flow, the movement of electrons, and the role of electromagnetic fields in energy transfer, with a focus on theoretical and conceptual understanding.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how AC works, noting that it seems to "ebb and flow" rather than travel a distance, questioning how it powers appliances.
  • Another participant clarifies that while electrons do move in a wire, they do so slowly, and energy is transferred from one electron to the next, akin to passing a water bucket, with this transfer occurring at nearly the speed of light.
  • A third participant uses an analogy of a pipe filled with water to illustrate that while the drift velocity of electrons is low, the energy wave travels quickly, suggesting a similar behavior for AC where energy moves in alternating directions.
  • A fourth participant argues that it is not the electrons that transport energy, but rather the electromagnetic field, and suggests evaluating the Poynting vector to understand energy transport in both AC and DC systems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing views on how energy is transferred in AC systems, with no consensus reached regarding the primary mechanism of energy transport—whether it is through electron movement or electromagnetic fields.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various analogies and models to explain the behavior of AC, but limitations exist in the assumptions made about electron movement and energy transfer mechanisms, which are not fully resolved.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in electromagnetics, electrical engineering, or those seeking to understand the principles of alternating current and energy transfer in electrical systems.

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I'm just learning the basics of electromagnetics and am a bit confused as to how ac works.

From my understanding, a rotating conductive wire in a magnetic field create a current that changes direction from positive to negative flow, modeled in accordance with the sine function.

But i was under the impression that to actually power something, it needs to flow from one terminal to the other.

How does the powering of my home appliances work if the current in a power line "ebbs and flows" so to speak, and doesn't actually travel a distance?
 
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The common story about electrons traveling in the wire is not exactly true. Electrons do tend to move in a single direction over time, the so-called drift, but they do so very slowly. Electrons carrying the energy from one terminal to another is therefore incorrect, it would be better to view it as the energy being passed from one electron to the next, like people passing a water bucket. This transfer of energy happens at nearly the speed of light, on timescales which are much shorter than the alternation time of the current.
 
Imagine a pipe full of hot water. The molecules are moving about at some speed dependent on their temperature. If you inject a small amount of extra water in one end then a pressure wave travels down the pipe very fast and the same amount of water comes out the other end. The energy went through the water very quickly (speed of sound in water perhaps) but the water itself didn't move very far. So averaged over time the velocity (drift velocity) of the water is low but the speed of the energy wave can be quite high. For electrons in a wire the drift velocity can be of the order of mm per second. At that rate they take quite a long time to travel down a transatlantic telephone cable but clearly the signal travels a lot faster.

For AC imagine doing that in alternate directions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton's_cradle
 
In reality it's not the electrons that transport energy from the generator to your appliance but the electromagnetic field, no matter whether you look at DC or AC! Just calculate the (stationary) fields of a current conducting wire (e.g., a coax cable or some other easy to calculate configuration) and evaluate the Poynting vector. You'll see that the electromagnetic field transports the energy!
 

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