How does an improvised immersion heater made from confiscated items work?

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The discussion revolves around the workings of an improvised immersion heater constructed from confiscated items, specifically razor blades, and its operation using AC current. Participants explore the principles of resistive heating, the behavior of AC circuits, and the implications of grounding in electrical systems.

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  • One participant describes the immersion heater's construction and questions how it operates, noting the connection of razor blades to the electrical circuit.
  • Another participant explains that the heating occurs due to resistive heating, emphasizing that the razor blades, being poorer conductors than copper, will generate most of the heat.
  • A participant shares an anecdote about a large-scale improvised heating setup using bare copper wires in seawater for load testing generators, suggesting a similar principle of resistive heating.
  • Several participants discuss the nature of AC current, contrasting it with DC current, and express confusion about the necessity of a complete circuit for AC to function.
  • There is a discussion about the role of grounding in AC circuits, with one participant speculating on the consequences of a neutral wire not being grounded.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of capacitance in AC circuits, noting that low-frequency AC can still exhibit some current flow even without a completed path.
  • Participants emphasize that without a return path in either AC or DC, there can be no current or power flow.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding AC current and its requirements, leading to some confusion and debate about the necessity of grounding and circuit completion. There is no consensus on the implications of these concepts, and multiple viewpoints are presented.

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Some participants' statements reflect uncertainty about the behavior of AC circuits, particularly regarding the role of grounding and the effects of capacitance. The discussion does not resolve these uncertainties.

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Individuals interested in electrical engineering, DIY electronics, or the practical applications of resistive heating may find this discussion relevant.

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Heres is an improvised immersion heater that was confiscated from inmates in a German prison:
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that looks like the absolute bare minimum immersion heater and is clearly dangerous as hell but I'm wondering how exactly it works. Its connected directly to a mains plug so there will be 240V AC current flowing through it. I see that the cord is stripped at the end, revealing a blue and a red wire. I'm guessing one wire is for current traveling down the cord (away from the plug socket) and the other wire is for carrying current back to the plug socket. The red and blue wires are then stripped and the exposed copper strands appear to connect to 3 razor blades. I don't know what that rope in the middle of the blades is for, maybe just a separator to prevent the blades from touching each other.

How exactly would a device like this work? Does current travel from the red wire, into one of the razor blades, then to the 2nd razor blade, then to the 3rd razor blade then to the blue wire which carries the current back to the mains socket? Also, how exactly does this device produce heat? I know that the heat is generated by the razor blades but razor blades are made of steel or some other highly conductive alloy so I wouldn't have expected much heat to be generated when current flows through. My understanding is that resistance is required to convert electrical current into heat.
 
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Like the battery cigarette lighter you posted previously, it's simple resistive heating.

The thin high carbon steel razor blades will be considerably poorer conductors than the copper wires, so most of the heat will be generated at the blades. Also, as they heat their resistance will increase. As long as they stay immersed in the water they shouldn't burn, so as long as it doesn't blow a fuse it should work.

Making sure it didn't blow a fuse would probably have required some trial and error, but it looks like they are using two razor blades split into halves, and I suspect the four halves would be connected in series.
 
Kind of reminds me of an improvised 2 mega watt version I once saw being used to load test large generators on a ship. 3 phase 480 volts. They simply lowered the bare copper wires into the sea water. They controlled resistance thru the sea water by how far they lowered them into the water. I talked to the engineer from the generator manufacture. He said he was supposed to load test the generators, but his resistor bank was delayed in shipping. The captain was in a rush to get to sea, so he improvised.
 
uart said:
Making sure it didn't blow a fuse would probably have required some trial and error, but it looks like they are using two razor blades split into halves, and I suspect the four halves would be connected in series.
Thanks for the info. One thing that I don't get is how exactly AC current works in circuits. I know how DC works, the current travels from the negative terminal of the voltage source to the positive terminal which is why the circuit has to be complete for current to flow. AC current on the other hand flows back and forth so do you even need a circuit?

uart said:
Like the battery cigarette lighter you posted previously, it's simple resistive heating.

The thin high carbon steel razor blades will be considerably poorer conductors than the copper wires, so most of the heat will be generated at the blades. Also, as they heat their resistance will increase. As long as they stay immersed in the water they shouldn't burn, so as long as it doesn't blow a fuse it should work.

Making sure it didn't blow a fuse would probably have required some trial and error, but it looks like they are using two razor blades split into halves, and I suspect the four halves would be connected in series.
 
CrimpJiggler said:
Thanks for the info. One thing that I don't get is how exactly AC current works in circuits. I know how DC works, the current travels from the negative terminal of the voltage source to the positive terminal which is why the circuit has to be complete for current to flow. AC current on the other hand flows back and forth so do you even need a circuit?

AC flows at 60 hz per second...or theoretically goes back and forth like you are saying 60 times per second.

You definitely still need two wires in a AC circuit to conduct electricity...or at least a ground/nuetral connection.
 
Ah I see, so the second wire leads to the ground. I was going to ask what would happen if the neutral wire didn't lead to the ground, but rather lead nowhere so that the charge had nowhere to go once it reached the end of the wire but I think I know the answer to that. The build up of charge in the wire would inhibit the flow of current, wouldn't it. I know that in a DC circuit, current can't flow at all if the electrons have nowhere to go but with an AC power source, I'd say some current would still flow as the electrons rapidly (60 times per second, or 50 in Europe) flow into the wire then back towards the power source. But if the other end of the wire is grounded, then charge can flow through the wire uninhibited.
 
CrimpJiggler said:
Ah I see, so the second wire leads to the ground. I was going to ask what would happen if the neutral wire didn't lead to the ground, but rather lead nowhere so that the charge had nowhere to go once it reached the end of the wire but I think I know the answer to that. The build up of charge in the wire would inhibit the flow of current, wouldn't it. I know that in a DC circuit, current can't flow at all if the electrons have nowhere to go but with an AC power source, I'd say some current would still flow as the electrons rapidly (60 times per second, or 50 in Europe) flow into the wire then back towards the power source. But if the other end of the wire is grounded, then charge can flow through the wire uninhibited.

Indirectly I think you are alluding to the circuit property called capacitance (capacitor). With low frequency A/C you'll generally get very little current flow without completing the circuit. Technically a circuit can be "completed" with stray capacitance even when there is not a completed path for the electrons to flow.

With low frequency AC like 50/60 Hz this type of current flow from "stray" capacitance is typically very small.
 
In other words, if you only have one wire connected to a load with AC or DC...you have nothing. No voltage, no current, no power.

You can either hook line to line or line to neutral when talking AC single phase.
Neutral and ground are tied into the same bus. But again...only one wire with no return path...and you have nothing.
 

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